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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

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here's gene Stein now that strange

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laughter in the background comes from

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our old friend Jim Mosley who is one of

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our featured guests today sometimes now

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you're on the air yes sir all right so

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you're ready and we know Chris O'Brien

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is no longer in a remote location where

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his cell phone connection will disable

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every two minutes mmm but I probably

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will be next week that's right you're

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going to have to do the next show from

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the remote location but we have someone

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else who's from a real remote location

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and everybody who listened to the power

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cast over the past year or so they've

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heard this guy's voice I mean seriously

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you hear him at the beginning of the

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show you hear him at the end of the show

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you hear him at every hourly break and

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he's somebody who's been in the

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broadcasting business for many thousands

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of years I understand he's Bob zanotti

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calling us from his palatial estate in

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the Swiss Alps isn't now we're not quite

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in the Alps Jean but we can see them

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very clearly from here the Alps are

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about 25 or 30 miles away we're in the

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rustic peaceful Placid Emmental where

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they make the famous Emmental cheese

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we're at the 2,500 feet ten miles east

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of the Swiss capital city burn and

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you're coming in clear as a bell and

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apparently the wonders of modern

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technology are bringing my voice to you

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as well well unfortunately that wonder

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of modern technology was recently bought

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by Microsoft so

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that's it folks expect frequent

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disconnects the reason we bought Bob on

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the show is not just because he does a

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great job as our staff announcer but

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many years ago in a galaxy far far away

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Bob was host of a weekly radio show for

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a college radio station called coffee

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klatch now Bob this is taking you back

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to the very early stages of your

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broadcasting career but how did you get

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involved from that show through ham

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radio and may I remind you Jean that

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we're going back on I can't believe it

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just about 50 years are very very close

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to it and you and I are the same vintage

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could you were on that show many times

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it was through amateur radio I'm a been

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a ham radio operator for years as a kid

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since 1961 I got into contact with a ham

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not too far away from my native

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Hawthorne New Jersey he was in the next

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town or so and he said you know I worked

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for this college radio station why don't

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you come down and see it well they make

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a very very long story short which is

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extremely difficult for me to do most of

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the time anyway I went down and got

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talking and they said gee yeah

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we could use some program you got any

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ideas and I said yeah I'd love to do a

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talk show and of course Long John

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Neville was big at the time he was my

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idol

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and so gee I'd like to do a talk show

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maybe about the offbeat that sort of

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thing something like long John okay fine

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and that's the way it began and ham

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radio also introduced me to one of the

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key players in the so called New York

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circle Jim of course and your good self

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gene were part of that fella by the name

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of Tom lute Jesse Dominic luchessi he

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was also a radio ham I met him on the

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air one time and we talked about flying

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saucers in the offbeat I said you got to

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come over to my place in Jersey City we

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have a meeting of people here come all

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the time and talk about this and that's

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how it happened and that's how I met you

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and that's how I met Jim and some of the

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other key players in the so called New

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York circle well you know what we're

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going to do now right now we're going to

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put on our little aluminum foil bands

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like the famous mystic barber would wear

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that early 60s will tell you who he was

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in a moment but any case let's get those

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bands on because we have to go

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back through time Jim are you ready okay

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okay let's see if we could beam 45 to 50

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years back in time it's gonna be

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difficult you have faith in me I'd

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resent a collective spiritual battery I

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think people think I need more than a

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collective spiritual battery they think

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I you know you've heard of batteries not

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included this is how it goes I make this

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look good

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hello and welcome once again to coffee

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klatch this is Bob Zanotti and I'm with

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you every Friday from 10:30 to midnight

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with lively and interesting discussions

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with many interesting people tonight we

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welcome back James W Mosley Jim Mosley

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is the editor and publisher of saucer

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News Jack Robinson John J Robinson jack

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is the assistant editor of saucer news

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he's a longtime UFO and offbeat

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researcher and an expert in the Darrow's

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more about that later

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Dominick luchessi is with us Tom Lu

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chessy used to be called a UFO

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researcher but these days he's sounding

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more like a skeptic August see Roberts

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Auggie Roberts the well known UFO

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photographer is with us and Augie also

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made his own sighting back in the 1950s

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around New York we'll hear that story

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later

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Jean Steinberg with us again and Jean is

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a longtime paranormal researcher also of

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course interested in ufology and finally

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a special guest

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Yona Yona even aharon they you well

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known we might say renowned biblical

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scholar and paranormal researcher now we

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refer to Yona through most of the

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session by his Americanized name yana

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fork nerd we've talked about him on a

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number of occasions you'll hear him

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later in the show plus two special

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guests from shall we say Jim the more

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extreme elements of New York UFO

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research but a lot of this also came out

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of the fact that during those years Jim

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you ran

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a what was it monthly lecture series

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yeah you're talking about the late

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sixties yeah I had a monthly lecture

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series in New York City and mainly I

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thought sometimes we'd get into

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something else and I quit doing that

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around 1970 I think but you had a

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cross-section of people I mean your

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viewpoint about UFOs was very much

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straight down the middle but you had

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some people who were rather extreme such

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as that gentleman with the band around

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his head oh he was never a get at mine

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theories I never had a lecture by the

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Nifty barber

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but you had Alexander McNeil who must

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talker and you know he was interesting

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to listen to I heard that the missing

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barber was on one of the big TV shows at

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one time maybe Johnny Carson and he was

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so incoherent they refused to give him

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the hundred dollars that they had

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promised him which is a mean thing to do

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but if he didn't have a good lawyer

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that's how the whole thing ended and

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that was supposed to be scale I believe

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but Alexander McNeil and we'll hear from

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him a little bit later was I suppose one

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of the less extreme of the contactees is

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that correct

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yeah about him at my big convention in

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New York in 1957 we brought in Roy

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Thinnes who was well known on TV at that

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time he was the star of the invader we

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don't I don't think I ever bothered to

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listen to it because I wasn't interested

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in that kind of thing but he was a big

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draw I paid to bring him and his wife

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and his mother-in-law but you can

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believe that in from Hollywood cost a

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couple thousand dollars to fly them all

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in and make sure I was very short Roy

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Thinnes became ill he was supposed to

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speak four different times during these

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three days and he only spoke once as I

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remember

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and this was disconcerting because the

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people really wanted to hear him but in

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in one of those instances of the fact

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that that he wasn't speaking we brought

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in I was the ender McNeil as a

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substitute and that was the most

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brilliant thing I ever did because he

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was spellbinding I never heard him speak

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before or after but mainly he had seen a

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saucer with little men that had landed

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near the Long Island Expressway which is

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interesting cause I don't know if anyone

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saw that except him but he was a very

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good speaker and I didn't remember him

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being on the naughty show but no doubt

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he was well you'll hear from Alexander

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McNeil later on but also the core of

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your organization going back to the

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and Chris we go back to the 1960s put

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who's our staff announcer but also a

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long time ago was the host of the coffee

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klatch radio show brought on many of the

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UFO and paranormal figures in the New

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York scene also Jim Mosely editor of

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saucers smear and will tell you people I

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get a copy later on Jim let's focus on

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your circle of people when you first got

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involved in publishing a magazine called

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saucer news it was called nexus you had

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a core base of staff members of which

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Auggie Roberts was one of them but also

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he's one of the people mentioned in gray

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Barker's fame

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book they knew too much about flying

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saucers because he was a friend of al

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bender aw he's no longer with us but Jim

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would you tell us about him which end of

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it you want to talk about al bender or

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about the birth let's talk about the

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birth of saucer news and then bring on

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the first clip with Auggie Roberts in

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the summer of 1954

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I knew Auggie Roberts and down the

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chassis for a year or so then we had

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gotten to know each other quite well at

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that point we decided to jointly start

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publishing a UFO magazine I would have

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chosen a more normal title and the Nexus

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because most people don't know what

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Nexus means and perhaps even some of

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your listeners know if you look in the

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dictionary very carefully you'll find

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any X you as it means a connecting link

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all you thought that was brilliant to

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use that name and I don't know anyway as

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to Al bender that's a long story but he

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had just recently been allegedly hushed

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up by three men in black up at his

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residence in Bridgeport Connecticut

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which wasn't too far from our area of

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New Jersey and I sort of got in on it

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all a month or two after all this

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started but at least two or three times

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John and all these I went up to

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interview bender and I I'd say Simon

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went along with it one time but bender

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was playing in coy and he would not

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answer questions I've seen written

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versions of this in grave Arthur's books

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they knew too much about flying authors

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and and you see the dialog somebody

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asked the question and register I can't

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answer that and then they asked a

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different question and the answer is I

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can't answer that

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it sounds like somebody testifying

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personally

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being as I think you already mentioned

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here a sort of middle of the road er I

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did not take the earthbenders flame all

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too seriously and as I got to know the

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vendor and the whole situation better in

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later years I definitely did not take

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his claim seriously so I guess when he

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said I can't answer that he probably

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really didn't have an answer lest anyone

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not realize who al bender was he's the

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origin of the three men in black story

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and to bring matters full circle there

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is a new three men in black movie MIB

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three with Will Smith of course coming

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out this year having nothing to do

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whatever with al Burke a bender we were

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going to present Auggie's description of

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the sky watchtower case and we will in

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the next segment but I think it's more

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fitting now to have Augie talk about Al

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bender but only in connection with the

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fact that bender in the 1960s came out

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with a book called flying saucers in the

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three men and the three men were I

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gather extraterrestrials so before we

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comment this is Auggie Roberts on al

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bender when I knew him a way back he was

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a completely different man than what I'm

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looking at today the man I knew then is

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not the man I look at now I don't know

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this man today but I did know the man

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years ago and what do you mean I mean

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he's totally was alive really alive it's

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like someone took him over and really

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give him a shall we say a brainwashing

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job if you read the book that he wrote

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flying saucers in the three men he

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explains it and my personal opinion is

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quiet I just don't buy it he is his

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story is the wildest story of all the

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UFO books out on the market today his

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beats them all and when I read his book

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it was in a lightning storm and it was

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one of the very few books that I've ever

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read in my life that really frightened

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me and I can take just about anything

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what do you think Jim and what walky

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Roberts had to say about the way his

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personality had changed from what it

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originally was

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usually I'd really hate for that like

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our burger I can't answer that because I

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never met bender until after he was up

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so whether his personality changed or

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not I'm not sure but I do know that I

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think we made it into his bedroom or a

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studio apartment or whatever he had and

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on the walls he had these horror posters

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from Frankenstein type movies and all

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kinds of things like that and so you

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certainly had to reach a tentative

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conclusion that he was well number one

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he had a background in unusual beliefs

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and interest before he got into saucers

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and number two he was attracted by a

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very strange material which might make

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one believe that he was not all there if

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we could say that but it wasn't that

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unusual for people in the 50s and 60s to

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like monster films we had a big magazine

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at the time Famous Monsters in the Los

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Angeles area and somebody sent me within

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the last year or so they got this off

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the internet and I don't know how to get

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anything off the internet but they have

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to do it without a computer which would

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be even more difficult and his address

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appeared in sausage smear within the

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last year I thought that's kind of

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interesting he's just a quick question

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yeah I didn't know al bender was still

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alive to be frank and I never met the

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man he was never on the show he was

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talking bringing mom but we never

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managed it what is his situation today

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is he still reticent is he still not

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after that book sometime after that I

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had him speak at my lecture series once

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I don't remember if it was before or

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after the book came it was

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after the book came out Jim I remember

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being there all right well I would say

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whether he was hushed up or not been to

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reach the point that he just out for

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relief he had nothing to not talk about

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I mean he just left the feel completely

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why do what he did do was he got

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interested in music from movie

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production and I'm trying Mack Steiner

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that's right my famous movie compare he

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wrote the music for a lot of of the very

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good old movies from that era and they

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had a match diner fan club and I think

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he might have been the head of her so

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think about this folks from saucers to

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you are tuned into the para cast let me

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tell you what you're gonna hear stuff

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here that you probably won't hear

598
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:12,300
anywhere else

599
00:27:18,830 --> 00:27:15,810
hear that George snoring back through

600
00:27:21,710 --> 00:27:18,840
time back to the 1960s with Jim Mosely

601
00:27:24,470 --> 00:27:21,720
editor of saucer smear Bob's annatee a

602
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:24,480
radio broadcaster who at the time ran a

603
00:27:29,180 --> 00:27:27,090
show called coffee clutch and we both

604
00:27:32,120 --> 00:27:29,190
were influenced heavily in the things we

605
00:27:33,890 --> 00:27:32,130
did Bob and I by Long John Apple so he

606
00:27:36,380 --> 00:27:33,900
had his show in that tradition we were

607
00:27:38,780 --> 00:27:36,390
talking about August see Roberts who

608
00:27:41,030 --> 00:27:38,790
worked with Jim on saucer news in the

609
00:27:43,130 --> 00:27:41,040
early days but also was a friend of

610
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:43,140
Albert K bender and so we had that

611
00:27:48,890 --> 00:27:45,810
little clip where a guy talked about

612
00:27:51,410 --> 00:27:48,900
bender and his problems with him but

613
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:51,420
before that Auggie also was a

614
00:27:55,790 --> 00:27:54,210
photographer of UFOs a professional

615
00:28:01,610 --> 00:27:55,800
photographer by trade as a matter of

616
00:28:08,750 --> 00:28:01,620
fact tell us more about Auggie sighting

617
00:28:11,210 --> 00:28:08,760
in five minutes okay is that he he

618
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:11,220
joined the sky watch and they didn't

619
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:14,010
have radar nearly as much as now so a

620
00:28:20,150 --> 00:28:16,290
lot of people volunteered to be on these

621
00:28:22,460 --> 00:28:20,160
towers for a period of time and watch

622
00:28:23,900 --> 00:28:22,470
the skies and that's how all he happened

623
00:28:27,410 --> 00:28:23,910
to see a flying carpet

624
00:28:29,180 --> 00:28:27,420
August Roberts on his UFO sighting was

625
00:28:31,450 --> 00:28:29,190
George cognitum Layton and myself were

626
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:31,460
on the sky washed out in Jersey City

627
00:28:37,250 --> 00:28:33,810
plane spotting and we were doing this

628
00:28:39,110 --> 00:28:37,260
for the government and we spent 2,000

629
00:28:42,170 --> 00:28:39,120
hours these three of us up there hunting

630
00:28:44,300 --> 00:28:42,180
for these things and one night George

631
00:28:46,580 --> 00:28:44,310
Tonga was actually doing the job he was

632
00:28:48,050 --> 00:28:46,590
assigned to deliver the first civil

633
00:28:50,450 --> 00:28:48,060
offense right this is plane spotting

634
00:28:52,730 --> 00:28:50,460
this is because the when planes fly low

635
00:28:55,310 --> 00:28:52,740
the radar wasn't able to pick it up so

636
00:28:57,740 --> 00:28:55,320
they needed the plane spotters well this

637
00:29:01,280 --> 00:28:57,750
one night or one morning I would say was

638
00:29:03,140 --> 00:29:01,290
12 11 a.m. July 28 1952 George part of

639
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:03,150
this object near the Empire State

640
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:03,570
Building

641
00:29:08,660 --> 00:29:06,930
now George pointed it out to me and we

642
00:29:10,820 --> 00:29:08,670
called him lady who was in the tower

643
00:29:12,470 --> 00:29:10,830
this is in the little hut like where the

644
00:29:13,970 --> 00:29:12,480
telephones are director of the air force

645
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:13,980
which is the solar center and

646
00:29:19,419 --> 00:29:17,010
Laney's and i grab the binoculars and

647
00:29:22,340 --> 00:29:19,429
was looking at it was really some bees

648
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:22,350
there was a maze because the government

649
00:29:26,510 --> 00:29:23,850
has been telling us that there are no

650
00:29:28,789 --> 00:29:26,520
such things as what they call flying

651
00:29:31,250 --> 00:29:28,799
saucers possibly there aren't maybe they

652
00:29:33,830 --> 00:29:31,260
call them flying eggnog anything like

653
00:29:36,500 --> 00:29:33,840
this but maybe it's a semantic type of

654
00:29:38,270 --> 00:29:36,510
thing god but I did not believe anything

655
00:29:41,030 --> 00:29:38,280
did exist until I was looking at it with

656
00:29:43,610 --> 00:29:41,040
my own two eyes and then I know I knew

657
00:29:43,909 --> 00:29:43,620
in my own mind that we were being lied

658
00:29:50,210 --> 00:29:43,919
to

659
00:29:52,130 --> 00:29:50,220
picked up on radar and three other

660
00:29:54,230 --> 00:29:52,140
stations also have it that was

661
00:29:56,690 --> 00:29:54,240
definitely a round object with a

662
00:29:59,060 --> 00:29:56,700
spinning ring rim spinning in a

663
00:30:01,730 --> 00:29:59,070
counterclockwise direction and it had a

664
00:30:04,750 --> 00:30:01,740
dot in the center as the ring speeded up

665
00:30:07,970 --> 00:30:04,760
so did the color change the color was a

666
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:07,980
darkish brownish type that as the it's

667
00:30:12,740 --> 00:30:10,410
solid spin a little bit faster the rim

668
00:30:15,650 --> 00:30:12,750
and the gotten ascend has changed to a

669
00:30:17,570 --> 00:30:15,660
lighter orange now I don't say that this

670
00:30:19,340 --> 00:30:17,580
thing comes from Mars I have never said

671
00:30:21,620 --> 00:30:19,350
that this comes from Mars or Venus or

672
00:30:24,110 --> 00:30:21,630
any other planets you want to name but

673
00:30:26,570 --> 00:30:24,120
when you look at it you are amazed and

674
00:30:29,390 --> 00:30:26,580
to only believe that it comes from some

675
00:30:32,060 --> 00:30:29,400
other planet although I would say if I

676
00:30:35,299 --> 00:30:32,070
had to pick a choice say that this

677
00:30:37,940 --> 00:30:35,309
object did come from somewhere on this

678
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:37,950
earth anyway I was able to take two

679
00:30:43,580 --> 00:30:40,290
pictures of it the pictures have been

680
00:30:45,020 --> 00:30:43,590
proven to the authorities who needed to

681
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:45,030
know at that time which is the civil

682
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:47,370
defense authorities and others involved

683
00:30:53,060 --> 00:30:51,210
in it a two-star general stated then and

684
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:53,070
I was there with the reporters when they

685
00:30:58,669 --> 00:30:55,650
it was stated that it was picked up on

686
00:30:59,659 --> 00:30:58,679
radar confirming it and I have so many

687
00:31:01,970 --> 00:30:59,669
cooking on it

688
00:31:04,700 --> 00:31:01,980
one thing I wanted to ask you Jim you

689
00:31:06,770 --> 00:31:04,710
know we know that you and some of your

690
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:06,780
friends were sometimes responsible for

691
00:31:13,010 --> 00:31:10,410
pulling a few pranks with regard to UFO

692
00:31:15,169 --> 00:31:13,020
photos was this picture the sky watch

693
00:31:18,169 --> 00:31:15,179
tower case pictures were these pictures

694
00:31:20,780 --> 00:31:18,179
in your point of view genuine or what

695
00:31:22,820 --> 00:31:20,790
well I'm sure the pictures were genuine

696
00:31:25,430 --> 00:31:22,830
first of all the sky watch thing

697
00:31:28,549 --> 00:31:25,440
occurred before I had ever met all the

698
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:28,559
in fact I probably met him because of

699
00:31:33,230 --> 00:31:30,570
having read about him in the newspapers

700
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:33,240
I was just starting out my saucer

701
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:35,730
question I believe he was the first

702
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:38,490
person I was able to contact and start

703
00:31:45,110 --> 00:31:41,090
this little as you call it the New York

704
00:31:48,289 --> 00:31:45,120
Flying Saucer circle or whatever but yes

705
00:31:51,310 --> 00:31:48,299
it doesn't tell you what the object was

706
00:31:54,890 --> 00:31:51,320
but I'm sure that his pictures were

707
00:31:57,560 --> 00:31:54,900
genuine and of course that pushed him

708
00:32:01,520 --> 00:31:57,570
further into the UFO field but I like

709
00:32:04,789 --> 00:32:01,530
what he said there it's obvious in a

710
00:32:07,789 --> 00:32:04,799
little humorous to me he didn't join the

711
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:07,799
sky wash for any patriotic wreath and

712
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:11,130
his sole interest was to have an

713
00:32:16,549 --> 00:32:13,650
opportunity to sooner or later see a

714
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:16,559
flying saucer and he did and so he was

715
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:19,290
very happy about it I could say one

716
00:32:23,270 --> 00:32:21,090
thing about Auggie Roberts I got to know

717
00:32:25,430 --> 00:32:23,280
him very well during the coffee klatch

718
00:32:27,470 --> 00:32:25,440
days and he was technically my

719
00:32:29,450 --> 00:32:27,480
production coordinator in fact he was

720
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:29,460
responsible for organizing a number of

721
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:31,290
quite interesting guests he was on the

722
00:32:36,260 --> 00:32:33,450
show very often I had a lot of time

723
00:32:38,570 --> 00:32:36,270
one-on-one with him he had a persona

724
00:32:41,110 --> 00:32:38,580
that some people perceived as being

725
00:32:44,180 --> 00:32:41,120
rather what shall I say unsophisticated

726
00:32:46,700 --> 00:32:44,190
but he wasn't he was very deep he was

727
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:46,710
very intelligent too in my opinion he

728
00:32:50,870 --> 00:32:48,450
was very sensitive individual and very

729
00:32:52,490 --> 00:32:50,880
very honest I was always impressed by

730
00:32:55,370 --> 00:32:52,500
his honesty and one thing I remember him

731
00:32:58,190 --> 00:32:55,380
telling me he had thousands of UFO

732
00:32:59,870 --> 00:32:58,200
photographs and he said I've made some

733
00:33:02,659 --> 00:32:59,880
of them and there are a lot of them are

734
00:33:04,370 --> 00:33:02,669
fakes and if I make a fake I call it a

735
00:33:07,310 --> 00:33:04,380
fake but he had in his collection

736
00:33:09,740 --> 00:33:07,320
photographs which he said could not be

737
00:33:11,750 --> 00:33:09,750
faked in his opinion we were talking

738
00:33:14,149 --> 00:33:11,760
about these photographs at the sky

739
00:33:15,980 --> 00:33:14,159
watchtower and he described how he was

740
00:33:17,659 --> 00:33:15,990
doing it the quality wasn't right

741
00:33:20,180 --> 00:33:17,669
because he was using a slightly

742
00:33:21,830 --> 00:33:20,190
defective camera which was not his he

743
00:33:23,270 --> 00:33:21,840
was quite clear he's at least I took

744
00:33:25,669 --> 00:33:23,280
these photographs this is the way they

745
00:33:27,950 --> 00:33:25,679
came out and these are real photographs

746
00:33:29,690 --> 00:33:27,960
that's my contribution to this

747
00:33:36,010 --> 00:33:29,700
particular discussion about the sky

748
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:36,020
watch profession he was a professional

749
00:33:41,510 --> 00:33:38,970
photographer and worked for

750
00:33:43,909 --> 00:33:41,520
various outfits I can't remember just

751
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:43,919
which ones but that's how we made a

752
00:33:49,610 --> 00:33:47,490
living for many many years so he'd be a

753
00:33:52,580 --> 00:33:49,620
photographer of weddings and stuff like

754
00:33:55,940 --> 00:33:52,590
that I'm not sure no I'm talking about

755
00:33:58,549 --> 00:33:55,950
working in a lab whatever one does

756
00:34:02,080 --> 00:33:58,559
they're developed issues I suppose I

757
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:02,090
mean he was a technician in a

758
00:34:07,070 --> 00:34:05,130
photographic lab of some sort so he was

759
00:34:08,599 --> 00:34:07,080
on the other end of photography which is

760
00:34:10,430 --> 00:34:08,609
actually developing the pictures and

761
00:34:12,409 --> 00:34:10,440
remember folks this is before we had

762
00:34:15,020 --> 00:34:12,419
digital cameras so you actually needed

763
00:34:16,970 --> 00:34:15,030
people like that and there were no

764
00:34:20,300 --> 00:34:16,980
software there were no computers so you

765
00:34:23,590 --> 00:34:20,310
couldn't doctor them Auggie actually you

766
00:34:25,940 --> 00:34:23,600
just for the record he he was sort of a

767
00:34:28,010 --> 00:34:25,950
professional photographic hobbyist he

768
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:28,020
did earn money at it but he did have a

769
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:31,050
day job as well and I remember he made

770
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:33,090
quite a thing about being a glamor

771
00:34:37,940 --> 00:34:34,770
photographer he showed a few of those

772
00:34:40,490 --> 00:34:37,950
crabs around he was available for you

773
00:34:43,010 --> 00:34:40,500
know the usual thing birthdays weddings

774
00:34:46,879 --> 00:34:43,020
and bar mitzvahs and he was a good

775
00:34:48,109 --> 00:34:46,889
photographer and there was no there's no

776
00:34:50,690 --> 00:34:48,119
question about it

777
00:34:52,580 --> 00:34:50,700
and he knew what he was doing and again

778
00:34:55,250 --> 00:34:52,590
I I emphasized he was very honest about

779
00:34:57,680 --> 00:34:55,260
it and he knew he could tell right away

780
00:34:59,359 --> 00:34:57,690
what was faking wasn't what wasn't in

781
00:35:01,760 --> 00:34:59,369
fact this short panic though he said

782
00:35:05,060 --> 00:35:01,770
there was a contact II who wanted to

783
00:35:06,530 --> 00:35:05,070
have whose photograph I wanted s and I

784
00:35:08,660 --> 00:35:06,540
have a picture of is that the photograph

785
00:35:11,570 --> 00:35:08,670
of his UFO and he wouldn't give it to me

786
00:35:12,770 --> 00:35:11,580
so I made it and gave it to me said

787
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:12,780
where did you get this from I didn't

788
00:35:17,690 --> 00:35:14,850
give it to you I made it in my lap that

789
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:17,700
was Auggie Roberts well you know we

790
00:35:23,270 --> 00:35:19,850
should mention there is just another

791
00:35:26,930 --> 00:35:23,280
totally different picture that Olga made

792
00:35:29,810 --> 00:35:26,940
of a alleged UFO and this one is not

793
00:35:32,109 --> 00:35:29,820
nearly so well no and I don't remember

794
00:35:36,310 --> 00:35:32,119
the details but he was taking pictures

795
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:36,320
over the Hudson River one night and this

796
00:35:44,740 --> 00:35:40,290
roundish object appeared I believe in

797
00:35:47,750 --> 00:35:44,750
more than one Fischer but now I am NOT a

798
00:35:50,540 --> 00:35:47,760
professional photographer at all but you

799
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:50,550
look at these and it looks like some

800
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:51,290
sort of

801
00:35:59,040 --> 00:35:56,210
its round but not quite

802
00:36:01,300 --> 00:35:59,050
it's rather plain compared to the

803
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:01,310
buildings and stuff that you're looking

804
00:36:07,020 --> 00:36:03,650
at in the background of the picture but

805
00:36:10,300 --> 00:36:07,030
the funny thing is that picture was

806
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:10,310
published in Georgia dancies first book

807
00:36:15,430 --> 00:36:13,490
with the wrong caption they catch him

808
00:36:18,730 --> 00:36:15,440
talks about this guy

809
00:36:21,670 --> 00:36:18,740
watch patreon but the one day show if

810
00:36:23,770 --> 00:36:21,680
they won offer them over the Hudson

811
00:36:26,170 --> 00:36:23,780
River one of the errors of time never

812
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:26,180
corrected and reprints we have Jim

813
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future whatever you want to say about it

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with Bob Zanotti and Jim Mosely so what

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do you think Chris what do you think

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about reliving the past of the UFO field

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well did these you know these wonderful

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books that are being mentioned or some

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of the stuff that I cut my teeth on as a

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kid reading early books of from the

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early contactees in the 50s and and you

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know I always felt that some of the

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claims were a little too fantastic and

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and it wasn't until I really got into

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more serious authors at least I thought

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they were more serious like John keel

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and jock ballet that I really started to

923
00:41:58,970 --> 00:41:56,380
be completely convinced that there was

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something to a lot of these claims of

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contactees having had an experience at 7

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years old of course I I've had a

927
00:42:07,590 --> 00:42:05,380
lifelong interest in this subject but

928
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you know this is all fascinating to me

929
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and I really I really applaud the

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00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:13,380
efforts of you guys back there you know

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00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:17,170
in in the early days of this and I think

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it's it's gonna be interesting to get

933
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your insight onto you know how we've

934
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:24,130
gotten to where we are today and and

935
00:42:28,500 --> 00:42:26,290
whether we really know that much more I

936
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:28,510
kind of sometimes think we don't we've

937
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:31,090
mentioned earlier Jim was talking about

938
00:42:36,180 --> 00:42:33,490
the UFO convention this big one he held

939
00:42:39,660 --> 00:42:36,190
in New York Roy Thinnes was supposed to

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00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:39,670
be a key lecturer and he basically bowed

941
00:42:43,170 --> 00:42:41,530
out of a couple of sessions maybe he had

942
00:42:48,870 --> 00:42:43,180
too much drink the night before we're

943
00:42:51,410 --> 00:42:48,880
not going to suggest but what we called

944
00:42:54,660 --> 00:42:51,420
it the talking to Roy Thinnes disease

945
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:54,670
which had something to do with problems

946
00:42:58,170 --> 00:42:57,010
with the bowels that's what I meant to

947
00:43:00,680 --> 00:42:58,180
say well

948
00:43:04,740 --> 00:43:00,690
we won't go into the details of that

949
00:43:07,170 --> 00:43:04,750
imagination but the speaker who spoke in

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00:43:10,020 --> 00:43:07,180
his stead one of those occasions at

951
00:43:13,410 --> 00:43:10,030
least was Alexander McNeill who also

952
00:43:18,420 --> 00:43:13,420
appeared on coffee klatch my first

953
00:43:20,790 --> 00:43:18,430
contact was on August 27 1952 at 10:22

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00:43:23,850 --> 00:43:20,800
p.m. Eastern Standard Time

955
00:43:25,830 --> 00:43:23,860
it happened in Oceanside New York it

956
00:43:28,530 --> 00:43:25,840
happened in back of a firehouse which

957
00:43:31,770 --> 00:43:28,540
had like a creek for a swamp area at the

958
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:31,780
time I saw an object ten feet high

959
00:43:36,900 --> 00:43:34,570
thirty feet in diameter it changed in

960
00:43:39,240 --> 00:43:36,910
colors from bluish white bluish green

961
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:39,250
reddish orange and bright yellowish

962
00:43:44,460 --> 00:43:41,530
white amber the carry redden blue

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00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:44,470
navigational lights on the sides and it

964
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:47,050
had like a v-shaped antenna going up

965
00:43:51,210 --> 00:43:49,570
toward the end to the sky and a v-shaped

966
00:43:53,610 --> 00:43:51,220
antenna coming down toward the ground

967
00:43:56,910 --> 00:43:53,620
which I believed to have been landing

968
00:44:00,120 --> 00:43:56,920
rods I saw little men about three feet

969
00:44:03,420 --> 00:44:00,130
tall just in a green garment their skin

970
00:44:05,490 --> 00:44:03,430
color was reddish-brown which means that

971
00:44:08,220 --> 00:44:05,500
they come from an area which is very

972
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:08,230
close to a Sun planet for a certain area

973
00:44:14,250 --> 00:44:10,690
which is probably in the Alpha Centauri

974
00:44:18,540 --> 00:44:14,260
area and they had no shoes and they had

975
00:44:20,460 --> 00:44:18,550
four four little toes and a claw which

976
00:44:23,550 --> 00:44:20,470
extended from the right and left foot

977
00:44:26,070 --> 00:44:23,560
and another thing about this incident

978
00:44:28,410 --> 00:44:26,080
which even terrifies me to this day

979
00:44:31,050 --> 00:44:28,420
is that when these people stepped on the

980
00:44:33,420 --> 00:44:31,060
mud they seemed to hover like or they

981
00:44:35,700 --> 00:44:33,430
seemed to sink slightly in the mud but

982
00:44:38,580 --> 00:44:35,710
when I stepped on the mud I went up to

983
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:38,590
my waist what type of message to these

984
00:44:43,830 --> 00:44:40,810
telepathic communications from these

985
00:44:46,530 --> 00:44:43,840
spaceships bring you well they have they

986
00:44:48,690 --> 00:44:46,540
have one me that certain airline crashes

987
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:48,700
are going to occur many of them are

988
00:44:54,810 --> 00:44:52,090
caused by UFOs they are caused by the

989
00:44:57,240 --> 00:44:54,820
electrical interference that they set up

990
00:45:00,090 --> 00:44:57,250
around the crap you see when we go

991
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:00,100
around when a saucer comes near an

992
00:45:07,490 --> 00:45:04,450
airliner it sets off a ization layer

993
00:45:11,130 --> 00:45:07,500
which that creates a friction device

994
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:11,140
which is like an invisible wall in the

995
00:45:14,340 --> 00:45:12,130
sky and

996
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:14,350
plain when it hits it or it gets caught

997
00:45:20,670 --> 00:45:17,290
in it it's torn to shreds I've had balls

998
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:20,680
of fire fall from the sky when i signal

999
00:45:27,690 --> 00:45:24,370
and there was people present in the area

1000
00:45:30,540 --> 00:45:27,700
at the time at one time flying saucers

1001
00:45:33,140 --> 00:45:30,550
came from space and they lived in an

1002
00:45:35,850 --> 00:45:33,150
area called Atlantis or Atlantia and

1003
00:45:38,430 --> 00:45:35,860
different people from forms of life

1004
00:45:41,190 --> 00:45:38,440
there was a large wall at circled our

1005
00:45:44,130 --> 00:45:41,200
base of operations which was called

1006
00:45:46,500 --> 00:45:44,140
Atlantis and these people lived in the

1007
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:46,510
sea then there was people who lived in

1008
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:48,570
the in the large area that had

1009
00:45:54,780 --> 00:45:51,370
conveniences like things of the future

1010
00:45:56,970 --> 00:45:54,790
we will have cause it will run on no

1011
00:45:58,380 --> 00:45:56,980
power at all they will fly through the

1012
00:46:02,760 --> 00:45:58,390
air without wheels

1013
00:46:05,340 --> 00:46:02,770
they will hover by levitation like sound

1014
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:05,350
will actually hold them up there is two

1015
00:46:11,190 --> 00:46:08,770
rocks major rock is in the Great Pyramid

1016
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:11,200
in Egypt and there is one at easter

1017
00:46:17,580 --> 00:46:13,930
island in the South Pacific

1018
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:17,590
these rocks are created of a force

1019
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:21,130
friction field and when these rocks both

1020
00:46:27,240 --> 00:46:23,410
come together when the Great Seal is

1021
00:46:31,130 --> 00:46:27,250
open or move from space which is coming

1022
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:31,140
these rocks will admit it or emit

1023
00:46:39,060 --> 00:46:36,370
signals of high frequency which will be

1024
00:46:42,420 --> 00:46:39,070
blown like when when the wind hits it it

1025
00:46:45,690 --> 00:46:42,430
will cause the things to rise from the

1026
00:46:48,990 --> 00:46:45,700
Great Pyramid and from Easter Island not

1027
00:46:51,930 --> 00:46:49,000
only that it will cause Atlantis slowly

1028
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:51,940
to rise out of the sea it will be done

1029
00:46:58,470 --> 00:46:54,930
by something under the sea some type of

1030
00:47:00,690 --> 00:46:58,480
erection has been created under the sea

1031
00:47:03,300 --> 00:47:00,700
that is why sources have been going into

1032
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:03,310
our oceans they have been submerging and

1033
00:47:07,470 --> 00:47:05,530
they've been completely doing something

1034
00:47:09,330 --> 00:47:07,480
at the bottom of the sea I do not know

1035
00:47:12,290 --> 00:47:09,340
what this thing is that they have been

1036
00:47:15,390 --> 00:47:12,300
doing but there has been earthquakes or

1037
00:47:17,370 --> 00:47:15,400
sea quakes under the Atlantic and the

1038
00:47:18,750 --> 00:47:17,380
Pacific Ocean there is a there is a way

1039
00:47:21,330 --> 00:47:18,760
of proving my point

1040
00:47:24,300 --> 00:47:21,340
I will say over the mic I will

1041
00:47:27,210 --> 00:47:24,310
communicate with sources or try

1042
00:47:30,870 --> 00:47:27,220
we'll see if we can get flying saucers

1043
00:47:34,740 --> 00:47:30,880
over the Jersey area or Delaware area to

1044
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:34,750
the base in the Antarctic try to send

1045
00:47:41,010 --> 00:47:38,410
UFOs at a very very high altitude move

1046
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:41,020
from north to south

1047
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:43,570
somebody is laughing they think I am

1048
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:46,930
fooling but we will be seen flying

1049
00:47:52,350 --> 00:47:49,690
saucers very shortly we will have a

1050
00:47:54,810 --> 00:47:52,360
heavy concentration of flying saucers in

1051
00:47:57,480 --> 00:47:54,820
the next space shot which is coming up

1052
00:48:00,150 --> 00:47:57,490
in two weeks of course two weeks later

1053
00:48:04,650 --> 00:48:00,160
the space shot no influx of flying

1054
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:04,660
saucers Jim aliens from another star

1055
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:07,210
system the attack of the Barefoot aliens

1056
00:48:12,030 --> 00:48:09,370
I can see the movie now incidentally

1057
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:12,040
Jean I'm sure you remember that program

1058
00:48:16,410 --> 00:48:14,290
with Alexander McNeill because you were

1059
00:48:18,810 --> 00:48:16,420
there along with Jack Robinson

1060
00:48:20,610 --> 00:48:18,820
well the voice you heard was they have

1061
00:48:23,100 --> 00:48:20,620
Jack Robinson and you'll be hearing from

1062
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:23,110
him later in the show because he has a

1063
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:26,290
very unusual encounter possibly deer are

1064
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:28,930
related to relate then and just a

1065
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:31,690
timeline on this let's not forget I

1066
00:48:35,610 --> 00:48:33,850
believe I don't have it right in front

1067
00:48:39,030 --> 00:48:35,620
of me most of these dates are marked

1068
00:48:41,310 --> 00:48:39,040
here but I think that was 1965 so we're

1069
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:41,320
going back a long time and what he said

1070
00:48:45,090 --> 00:48:43,450
about things of the future that doesn't

1071
00:48:49,530 --> 00:48:45,100
sound particularly impressive today but

1072
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:49,540
you go back 45 years and well we might

1073
00:48:58,620 --> 00:48:51,370
speculate that somehow he was slightly

1074
00:49:01,380 --> 00:48:58,630
ahead of his time McNiel as I told you

1075
00:49:04,620 --> 00:49:01,390
was just caught at the last moment and

1076
00:49:08,100 --> 00:49:04,630
asked to substitute for Roy Thinnes and

1077
00:49:11,460 --> 00:49:08,110
he graciously agreed to do so but he was

1078
00:49:14,550 --> 00:49:11,470
so good and so entertaining that the

1079
00:49:16,790 --> 00:49:14,560
audience loved it I think they liked his

1080
00:49:20,580 --> 00:49:16,800
talk better than the one that actually

1081
00:49:25,610 --> 00:49:20,590
was done by Roy Thinnes said the big

1082
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:25,620
thing was Alex McNeil was free unlike

1083
00:49:30,720 --> 00:49:28,210
its idiots who came in at great expense

1084
00:49:33,270 --> 00:49:30,730
from California and there's a moral

1085
00:49:34,350 --> 00:49:33,280
there somehow and I think we should all

1086
00:49:36,049 --> 00:49:34,360
look for it

1087
00:49:38,779 --> 00:49:36,059
incidentally

1088
00:49:40,999 --> 00:49:38,789
a gym ironically I remember talking to

1089
00:49:43,779 --> 00:49:41,009
Jack Robinson about this on one of the

1090
00:49:47,089 --> 00:49:43,789
shows or actually off the air that

1091
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:47,099
Alexander McNeil was very well known for

1092
00:49:52,999 --> 00:49:49,410
his attendance as regular attendance at

1093
00:49:55,039 --> 00:49:53,009
those lectures and he didn't lecture at

1094
00:49:57,259 --> 00:49:55,049
that time this was before he was allowed

1095
00:49:58,939 --> 00:49:57,269
to lecture he would usually have a group

1096
00:50:01,189 --> 00:49:58,949
in the back of the room and attracted

1097
00:50:03,410 --> 00:50:01,199
quite a bit of attention there because

1098
00:50:06,650 --> 00:50:03,420
he told a very interesting story and I

1099
00:50:08,839 --> 00:50:06,660
think he was articulate he was coherent

1100
00:50:10,549 --> 00:50:08,849
more or less I mean the content of what

1101
00:50:11,989 --> 00:50:10,559
he said we could discuss but I mean at

1102
00:50:13,670 --> 00:50:11,999
least you could follow what he was

1103
00:50:15,439 --> 00:50:13,680
saying that could not have been said for

1104
00:50:17,359 --> 00:50:15,449
all of the people who made it to the

1105
00:50:19,099 --> 00:50:17,369
show and you know the kind of people I'm

1106
00:50:23,179 --> 00:50:19,109
talking about well there's a clip later

1107
00:50:25,099 --> 00:50:23,189
on from 1966 featuring somebody whom you

1108
00:50:27,109 --> 00:50:25,109
will never be able to understand

1109
00:50:29,390 --> 00:50:27,119
although we've done the best we can to

1110
00:50:31,759 --> 00:50:29,400
clean up the audio and you have to Bob

1111
00:50:34,219 --> 00:50:31,769
we have to realize here these are

1112
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:34,229
recordings that were made back in the

1113
00:50:39,769 --> 00:50:37,890
1960s and Bob I guess you're a pack rat

1114
00:50:42,140 --> 00:50:39,779
you recorded pretty much every episode

1115
00:50:44,479 --> 00:50:42,150
right well gene you're bringing back

1116
00:50:46,910 --> 00:50:44,489
you're really jogging my memory there

1117
00:50:48,529 --> 00:50:46,920
and I remember it like yesterday because

1118
00:50:50,839 --> 00:50:48,539
you were there on so many of these

1119
00:50:53,779 --> 00:50:50,849
programs you were a regular on the show

1120
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:53,789
and Jack and it was the sort of this New

1121
00:50:59,329 --> 00:50:56,249
York group and you know in those days it

1122
00:51:01,459 --> 00:50:59,339
was really you know backpack radio you

1123
00:51:04,579 --> 00:51:01,469
had to lug in one of these old voice of

1124
00:51:06,319 --> 00:51:04,589
music for track tape recorders and the

1125
00:51:09,529 --> 00:51:06,329
sound quality was not always ideal

1126
00:51:12,049 --> 00:51:09,539
because we had to borrow mics Jack

1127
00:51:13,549 --> 00:51:12,059
Robinson we'd record very often in the

1128
00:51:14,209 --> 00:51:13,559
field as we would say in Jack's

1129
00:51:16,579 --> 00:51:14,219
apartment

1130
00:51:18,769 --> 00:51:16,589
I remember those segments of course you

1131
00:51:20,809 --> 00:51:18,779
are limited to the quality of the tape

1132
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:20,819
recorder and you had one very similar to

1133
00:51:23,809 --> 00:51:22,890
the one I had so I remember that one we

1134
00:51:25,789 --> 00:51:23,819
have Bob zanotti

1135
00:51:28,579 --> 00:51:25,799
radio broadcaster who was hosts in the

1136
00:51:31,339 --> 00:51:28,589
1960s of the coffee klatch radio show

1137
00:51:33,469 --> 00:51:31,349
Jim Mosely editor of saucer smear your

1138
00:51:36,820 --> 00:51:33,479
with Gene and Kris you're in the para

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1164
00:52:33,630 --> 00:52:31,990
stating a central bank issuing the

1165
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public currency is a greater menace to

1166
00:52:36,510 --> 00:52:34,780
the liberties of the people than a

1167
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standing army Ted Anderson on placing a

1168
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free silver dollar in a book that

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00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:39,700
explains our monetary system call for

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understand the system call 866 to 237

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that's 800 6 8 6 2 2 3 7

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1175
00:53:13,140 --> 00:53:11,680
here's Jane Steinberg Jim Mosely Bobson

1176
00:53:16,650 --> 00:53:13,150
ID with Jean and Chris and the power

1177
00:53:20,100 --> 00:53:16,660
cast wearing our propeller heads as we

1178
00:53:23,220 --> 00:53:20,110
go back through time to the 1960s to

1179
00:53:25,020 --> 00:53:23,230
explore the New York UFO seen some of

1180
00:53:27,420 --> 00:53:25,030
the colorful personality at some of the

1181
00:53:29,250 --> 00:53:27,430
unusual cases and one of the more

1182
00:53:31,620 --> 00:53:29,260
interesting characters of that time was

1183
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:31,630
a guy named Dominic Lou chessy who was

1184
00:53:36,240 --> 00:53:34,330
part of the original group that started

1185
00:53:42,900 --> 00:53:36,250
saucer news with you Jim tell us about

1186
00:53:45,690 --> 00:53:42,910
Tom well Bendix aviation as a well he

1187
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:45,700
called it a lead man which would be like

1188
00:53:52,020 --> 00:53:48,610
a foreman he was a little bit above the

1189
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:52,030
other people and we hopefully and that

1190
00:54:00,240 --> 00:53:55,770
was his profession he has a ability at

1191
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:00,250
mechanical things his hobbies were not

1192
00:54:05,460 --> 00:54:02,530
so much sauces at the beginning he was

1193
00:54:07,740 --> 00:54:05,470
into the occult it just like Robinson

1194
00:54:10,950 --> 00:54:07,750
was and I believe that he had a large

1195
00:54:13,260 --> 00:54:10,960
library of strange books of all kinds so

1196
00:54:17,190 --> 00:54:13,270
yes he wasn't unusual guy very

1197
00:54:19,380 --> 00:54:17,200
interesting and I enjoyed his company

1198
00:54:22,050 --> 00:54:19,390
many times he was also a bit of a

1199
00:54:26,550 --> 00:54:22,060
contrarian wasn't he he'd like to stir

1200
00:54:33,060 --> 00:54:26,560
know what he would do I'm not sure what

1201
00:54:37,050 --> 00:54:33,070
we might have been once in a while and

1202
00:54:40,170 --> 00:54:37,060
he would find somebody who he said gives

1203
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:40,180
a business to in a very organized way if

1204
00:54:46,620 --> 00:54:43,090
somebody had a peculiar belief he would

1205
00:54:48,540 --> 00:54:46,630
just take that belief apart whether it

1206
00:54:50,940 --> 00:54:48,550
was something that he really agreed with

1207
00:54:53,340 --> 00:54:50,950
himself or every with something else

1208
00:54:57,570 --> 00:54:53,350
right now we have a segment here where

1209
00:54:59,730 --> 00:54:57,580
Jim Mosley and dom lou Chessie well as

1210
00:55:01,860 --> 00:54:59,740
they say dum wanted to pick a fight and

1211
00:55:03,860 --> 00:55:01,870
maybe that's what happened here you're

1212
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:03,870
familiar I believe

1213
00:55:09,380 --> 00:55:06,570
with alloys you know that a great number

1214
00:55:10,790 --> 00:55:09,390
of new alloys are invented each year on

1215
00:55:12,860 --> 00:55:10,800
our planet I think it runs into the

1216
00:55:14,420 --> 00:55:12,870
thousands however there are some which

1217
00:55:16,070 --> 00:55:14,430
are definitely not invented as yet I

1218
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:16,080
believe that if you had an artifact

1219
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:18,450
which constituted an alloy of course

1220
00:55:21,590 --> 00:55:19,770
that would have certain properties maybe

1221
00:55:23,990 --> 00:55:21,600
of heat resistance or what have you that

1222
00:55:26,330 --> 00:55:24,000
none of our alloys have and if this were

1223
00:55:28,790 --> 00:55:26,340
found then you could certainly say that

1224
00:55:30,890 --> 00:55:28,800
it was not managed right why don't you

1225
00:55:32,630 --> 00:55:30,900
use the term none of our norm hollowing

1226
00:55:35,180 --> 00:55:32,640
I find outside other words what you're

1227
00:55:37,790 --> 00:55:35,190
trying to say Jim is that the scientists

1228
00:55:39,740 --> 00:55:37,800
whom you would select in order to we

1229
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:39,750
might say this metallurgist which he

1230
00:55:44,750 --> 00:55:41,970
would have to be in order to get a

1231
00:55:47,300 --> 00:55:44,760
concise spectrographic analysis of this

1232
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:47,310
particular alloy so we'll be familiar

1233
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:49,170
with all the alloys being developed by

1234
00:55:52,550 --> 00:55:50,970
our secret their labs and everything

1235
00:55:53,570 --> 00:55:52,560
like that on this planet they need to

1236
00:55:57,320 --> 00:55:53,580
have a great talent that

1237
00:55:59,420 --> 00:55:57,330
misunderstanding me no chassis suppose

1238
00:56:01,850 --> 00:55:59,430
it is known this is an example that

1239
00:56:04,100 --> 00:56:01,860
nothing made on earth can withstand a

1240
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:04,110
heat above a certain number of degrees

1241
00:56:09,050 --> 00:56:06,570
say ten thousand degrees and see

1242
00:56:11,060 --> 00:56:09,060
suddenly something is put forth that can

1243
00:56:12,770 --> 00:56:11,070
withstand a heap of twenty thousand

1244
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:12,780
degrees and suppose a scientist does

1245
00:56:17,570 --> 00:56:15,090
have a pretty good access to what is

1246
00:56:19,130 --> 00:56:17,580
being done by the main nations on earth

1247
00:56:21,950 --> 00:56:19,140
particularly United States and Russia

1248
00:56:23,210 --> 00:56:21,960
and he would certainly know then that

1249
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:23,220
this is something that has not been

1250
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:25,410
produced on earth right facing the solar

1251
00:56:29,390 --> 00:56:27,450
supposition no mr. moon with supposition

1252
00:56:31,010 --> 00:56:29,400
after all we have to realize one thing

1253
00:56:33,230 --> 00:56:31,020
there only is a limited number of

1254
00:56:35,150 --> 00:56:33,240
elements seasonal elements are universal

1255
00:56:37,580 --> 00:56:35,160
in nature and therefore any alloy would

1256
00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:37,590
be taken positive these various elements

1257
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:40,050
which are these within the group of the

1258
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:42,330
atomic weight you're telling us and

1259
00:56:46,940 --> 00:56:44,490
which I'm familiar with that welding

1260
00:56:48,590 --> 00:56:46,950
that alloys as you know working on the

1261
00:56:51,170 --> 00:56:48,600
sort of thing I believe yourselves is an

1262
00:56:53,300 --> 00:56:51,180
alloy can have properties which the

1263
00:56:55,130 --> 00:56:53,310
individual elements don't and as you

1264
00:56:57,020 --> 00:56:55,140
invent new ones why would they bother to

1265
00:56:58,520 --> 00:56:57,030
make new alloys at this high Singer if

1266
00:57:01,460 --> 00:56:58,530
you took the time out to speak to a

1267
00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:01,470
qualified metallurgical researching you

1268
00:57:06,950 --> 00:57:04,050
would find that most alloys are

1269
00:57:09,620 --> 00:57:06,960
relatively well known the temperature

1270
00:57:11,310 --> 00:57:09,630
ranges of these alloys of course even

1271
00:57:13,620 --> 00:57:11,320
the alloys which have not

1272
00:57:16,020 --> 00:57:13,630
then compounded yet we'll be known

1273
00:57:18,150 --> 00:57:16,030
because they will depend basically on

1274
00:57:20,460 --> 00:57:18,160
the inherent capabilities of the

1275
00:57:23,430 --> 00:57:20,470
molecule to withstand these temperature

1276
00:57:27,180 --> 00:57:23,440
ranges and due to the fact that they are

1277
00:57:30,690 --> 00:57:27,190
being compounded from the 98 LM 898 we

1278
00:57:33,690 --> 00:57:30,700
might say elements which are not created

1279
00:57:36,150 --> 00:57:33,700
artificially in our atomic actually a

1280
00:57:38,310 --> 00:57:36,160
Dominic there are 92 natural elements

1281
00:57:39,330 --> 00:57:38,320
and 10 additional artificial ones that

1282
00:57:41,370 --> 00:57:39,340
you're interested in some information

1283
00:57:43,110 --> 00:57:41,380
that is lovely

1284
00:57:45,270 --> 00:57:43,120
correct well there regardless of what

1285
00:57:46,740 --> 00:57:45,280
this amount is it still would have to be

1286
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:46,750
qualified I don't think this would be a

1287
00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:48,730
very good criteria of determining

1288
00:57:51,330 --> 00:57:49,810
something that's coming from the

1289
00:57:53,460 --> 00:57:51,340
deployment ship well that's interesting

1290
00:57:56,460 --> 00:57:53,470
that's fascinating because of the fact

1291
00:57:59,810 --> 00:57:56,470
that you correct damos the engineer the

1292
00:58:04,590 --> 00:57:59,820
scientific guy Jim correct number of

1293
00:58:07,380 --> 00:58:04,600
elements I had forgotten that but I mean

1294
00:58:10,410 --> 00:58:07,390
if Dom was so great at scientific

1295
00:58:12,890 --> 00:58:10,420
knowledge it is very strange indeed that

1296
00:58:15,720 --> 00:58:12,900
he would not know the number of natural

1297
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:15,730
elements because I have no background in

1298
00:58:20,610 --> 00:58:18,730
Sciences I happen to know that and it's

1299
00:58:24,330 --> 00:58:20,620
interesting that by now I think we have

1300
00:58:27,420 --> 00:58:24,340
roughly 20 artificial elements that go

1301
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:27,430
up to about a hundred and fifteen I

1302
00:58:32,940 --> 00:58:29,410
think it's a hundred eighteen it's still

1303
00:58:35,250 --> 00:58:32,950
92 natural elements that I looked it up

1304
00:58:37,020 --> 00:58:35,260
well I'm glad you did you see we had

1305
00:58:38,820 --> 00:58:37,030
Google I think it has to be said here

1306
00:58:41,730 --> 00:58:38,830
that at least I was my impression

1307
00:58:42,900 --> 00:58:41,740
talking to DOM done they did know a lot

1308
00:58:45,210 --> 00:58:42,910
there was no question about he was a

1309
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:45,220
radio AM II was a technician so I mean

1310
00:58:49,290 --> 00:58:46,450
he did have a lot of knowledge but I

1311
00:58:51,750 --> 00:58:49,300
think it's is sort of role or perceived

1312
00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:51,760
role in this New York group for circle

1313
00:58:56,580 --> 00:58:54,850
he was sort of the scientist in quote he

1314
00:58:58,950 --> 00:58:56,590
was also the iconoclast

1315
00:59:01,650 --> 00:58:58,960
he was the devil's advocate and he

1316
00:59:03,420 --> 00:59:01,660
enjoyed doing verbal battle with people

1317
00:59:05,940 --> 00:59:03,430
I think the clip that we heard just a

1318
00:59:08,250 --> 00:59:05,950
moment ago is a classic Don loot chest

1319
00:59:09,870 --> 00:59:08,260
he was a very cynical individual later

1320
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:09,880
on in life before he actually died I

1321
00:59:15,810 --> 00:59:12,010
understand he really got extremely

1322
00:59:17,970 --> 00:59:15,820
cynical and went into the dark side Jim

1323
00:59:20,370 --> 00:59:17,980
that's the story that I heard I don't

1324
00:59:23,010 --> 00:59:20,380
know really that much about his last

1325
00:59:26,580 --> 00:59:23,020
days I know he was born

1326
00:59:29,310 --> 00:59:26,590
with a congenital heart disease I can't

1327
00:59:31,290 --> 00:59:29,320
remember the name of it but he had

1328
00:59:33,660 --> 00:59:31,300
health problems all his life and his

1329
00:59:35,670 --> 00:59:33,670
heart traveled got worse later by that

1330
00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:35,680
time we're up at least into the

1331
00:59:42,540 --> 00:59:39,250
seventies I didn't see as much of job by

1332
00:59:45,020 --> 00:59:42,550
any means as I had previously but he

1333
00:59:47,910 --> 00:59:45,030
died at quite a young age some

1334
00:59:49,740 --> 00:59:47,920
complications from this heart disease I

1335
00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:49,750
saw him for the last time at one of your

1336
00:59:54,359 --> 00:59:51,850
parties and they were very good parties

1337
00:59:55,890 --> 00:59:54,369
I think you were down he weren't in Fort

1338
00:59:58,470 --> 00:59:55,900
Lee anymore I think you were down in the

1339
01:00:00,720 --> 00:59:58,480
was it Weehawken or Hoboken or something

1340
01:00:03,300 --> 01:00:00,730
that went well yeah actually it was

1341
01:00:07,220 --> 01:00:03,310
flowering Guttenberg doesn't Evert she's

1342
01:00:10,980 --> 01:00:07,230
right yeah named after the Gauri that

1343
01:00:12,750 --> 01:00:10,990
first published the Bible on a sitting

1344
01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:12,760
Seth the inventor of the printing press

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01:00:16,710 --> 01:00:14,650
John so in that way it's easy to

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remember it's a tiny little town but

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sandwiched in between those others that

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01:00:23,609 --> 01:00:21,460
you mention varies yeah I have parties

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01:00:26,910 --> 01:00:23,619
and what you are saying what I did

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01:00:29,550 --> 01:00:26,920
Dom just enjoyed arguing with people for

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01:00:31,530 --> 01:00:29,560
the sake of arguing and it didn't

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01:00:34,080 --> 01:00:31,540
necessarily even believe what he was

1353
01:00:36,090 --> 01:00:34,090
saying himself could I just add this

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01:00:37,890 --> 01:00:36,100
we're talking about parties in New York

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okay New York is a big city lots of

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people and I'm not well plugged into

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01:00:44,130 --> 01:00:42,640
this the way you are but I had the

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impression that there was nothing quite

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like the New York group or the New York

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Circle it was vibrant there was always

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something going on it was the lecture

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01:00:53,580 --> 01:00:51,850
groups there were parties informal

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meetings people went to other people's

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houses this was before the days of the

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internet there was no Skype that was

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even a long-distance phone call you had

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to see your banker first so people met

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and talked and there was a lot of

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excitement about these things and a

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feeling of adventure and discovery which

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I don't think we have any more today

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well I think he may be exaggerating a

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bit there we you know kept in touch with

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each other but I don't know if the

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feeling of excitement was so great

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except that we felt at least most of us

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did that we were looking into not just

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an interesting hobby but something that

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was fundamentally very important to

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mankind and we probably thought that

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sometime very soon the solution to this

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awesome

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mr. e would come along and meet I add

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that so many years later it hasn't come

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along yet so somewhere can I just

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qualify this very briefly and I say

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excitement there was maybe the word

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speculation is important here because in

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those days science was not what it is

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today we've been to the moon or most

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people believe we have we know a lot

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more about space we've got the Hubble

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telescope we got all this stuff so the

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element of speculation and and almost

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childlike wonder is out of it I remember

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those days when people would speculate

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about the saucers and who was in them

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and where they came from and now of

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course with with scientific more and

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more scientific evidence the room for

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speculation has gotten smaller that's

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what I meant when I used the term you

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know excitement it seemed more exciting

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at the time the sense of wonder new york

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scene voices of the past from the 1960s

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fascinating people sometimes a little

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over the top enjoying the things they

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had to say and some of the ideas they

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had to present now here's another

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example Jim of where you and Dom had a

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bit of a brush up over something get

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ready for this one

1531
01:07:37,800 --> 01:07:34,990
oh yeah okay yeah I just want to bring

1532
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up one thing here a Jim mainly for a

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01:07:42,630 --> 01:07:39,550
clarification there may be many

1534
01:07:45,109 --> 01:07:42,640
listeners who have not familiarize

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themselves with these various discussion

1536
01:07:51,510 --> 01:07:48,220
concerning that so-called saucer

1537
01:07:54,870 --> 01:07:51,520
research now you call your organization

1538
01:07:56,880 --> 01:07:54,880
the unexplained celestial what an event

1539
01:07:59,599 --> 01:07:56,890
research society and thank you will you

1540
01:08:02,099 --> 01:07:59,609
help me organize yeah well originally

1541
01:08:03,930 --> 01:08:02,109
when you originally took that over that

1542
01:08:07,680 --> 01:08:03,940
was known as Nexus you will agree to

1543
01:08:09,210 --> 01:08:07,690
that Jim I say under Nexus was only the

1544
01:08:11,670 --> 01:08:09,220
only cavitation there whether it was a

1545
01:08:14,609 --> 01:08:11,680
connecting link or the dissemination of

1546
01:08:17,400 --> 01:08:14,619
information to various individual who

1547
01:08:20,849 --> 01:08:17,410
are interested in this subject now your

1548
01:08:23,160 --> 01:08:20,859
organization investigates the so-called

1549
01:08:25,559 --> 01:08:23,170
flying saucers is that correct that is

1550
01:08:32,190 --> 01:08:25,569
correct is there any proof that such a

1551
01:08:33,630 --> 01:08:32,200
thing as flying saucers in this well we

1552
01:08:36,690 --> 01:08:33,640
were talking about the thousand dollar

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01:08:38,490 --> 01:08:36,700
reward that there apparently is no one

1554
01:08:40,510 --> 01:08:38,500
able to come forth with proof and

1555
01:08:42,849 --> 01:08:40,520
therefore I even went so far as though

1556
01:08:44,860 --> 01:08:42,859
your organization is researching

1557
01:08:46,870 --> 01:08:44,870
something which isn't there there is no

1558
01:08:49,510 --> 01:08:46,880
proof for its existence it's sort of an

1559
01:08:50,800 --> 01:08:49,520
unknown research thing in other words

1560
01:08:52,690 --> 01:08:50,810
you're researching something which is

1561
01:08:54,130 --> 01:08:52,700
unknown so the point is this once you

1562
01:08:57,700 --> 01:08:54,140
say that rather that you are

1563
01:09:00,370 --> 01:08:57,710
investigating that a phenomena and would

1564
01:09:02,110 --> 01:09:00,380
you also agree and admit that most

1565
01:09:04,300 --> 01:09:02,120
research is that I'm not specifically

1566
01:09:06,700 --> 01:09:04,310
referencing you mr. Mowgli by no means

1567
01:09:09,430 --> 01:09:06,710
so most researchers have a tendency to

1568
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bring in also unrelated or any odd

1569
01:09:14,050 --> 01:09:11,380
happening and in some way

1570
01:09:15,579 --> 01:09:14,060
psychologically connecting it we might

1571
01:09:18,760 --> 01:09:15,589
use that psychologically and

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01:09:21,010 --> 01:09:18,770
psychotically hooking it up in some way

1573
01:09:22,720 --> 01:09:21,020
or referencing it with something in

1574
01:09:24,820 --> 01:09:22,730
other words anything which is beyond

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01:09:26,470 --> 01:09:24,830
their their explanation or anything in

1576
01:09:30,360 --> 01:09:26,480
some way is immediately tied in with

1577
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sauces and cakes potatoes grease hold

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meteorites

1579
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would you agree on this well you have a

1580
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very good points there and first of all

1581
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from the title of our organization

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itself we'll find that we do feel

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qualified or equally qualified to

1584
01:09:46,780 --> 01:09:44,810
investigate anything unusual especially

1585
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if it has to do with sky phenomena but

1586
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it doesn't necessarily have to be and I

1587
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would also say that you are right in

1588
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assuming that people who were interested

1589
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in flying saucers are interested in

1590
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unknown things of all kinds such as

1591
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monsters such as 14 events as we call

1592
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them any strange thing that happens or

1593
01:10:05,680 --> 01:10:03,770
falls from the sky anything having to do

1594
01:10:07,810 --> 01:10:05,690
with poltergeists or ghosts and so on

1595
01:10:09,430 --> 01:10:07,820
this now currently especially in the

1596
01:10:11,500 --> 01:10:09,440
last two or three years I've tried to

1597
01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:11,510
put in as much as I can of this type of

1598
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thing in my magazine not only because

1599
01:10:17,230 --> 01:10:15,380
I'm interested in it but because I know

1600
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that the same people who are interested

1601
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in sauces are interested in these other

1602
01:10:23,800 --> 01:10:20,750
fields I only want to tell you that the

1603
01:10:25,720 --> 01:10:23,810
deals are not necessarily connected and

1604
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they are probably separate and I don't

1605
01:10:30,550 --> 01:10:28,910
think that anyone should confuse flying

1606
01:10:32,920 --> 01:10:30,560
saucers which are apparently solid

1607
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objects in the sky with psychic

1608
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phenomena or any of the other things

1609
01:10:38,710 --> 01:10:36,470
which we are also equally interested in

1610
01:10:40,600 --> 01:10:38,720
but in a different way well of course

1611
01:10:41,890 --> 01:10:40,610
you realize that the reason I brought

1612
01:10:44,290 --> 01:10:41,900
that out what I didn't want you to

1613
01:10:46,060 --> 01:10:44,300
qualify I happen to know that this is

1614
01:10:46,960 --> 01:10:46,070
the way you feel about the organization

1615
01:10:48,580 --> 01:10:46,970
can I just

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01:10:50,770 --> 01:10:48,590
one that is qualified that it was not

1617
01:10:55,210 --> 01:10:50,780
strictly an organization and that has a

1618
01:10:56,980 --> 01:10:55,220
tendency to investigate unknown Robin

1619
01:11:00,730 --> 01:10:56,990
what did you say that there's just about

1620
01:11:02,500 --> 01:11:00,740
as much evidence for the UFO as there

1621
01:11:04,600 --> 01:11:02,510
are for cosmic-ray

1622
01:11:06,880 --> 01:11:04,610
I would say that there is much evidence

1623
01:11:08,590 --> 01:11:06,890
for anything which is not identified I

1624
01:11:10,630 --> 01:11:08,600
certainly would not be able to

1625
01:11:14,590 --> 01:11:10,640
specifically reference this against any

1626
01:11:17,410 --> 01:11:14,600
known facts figures or data therefore we

1627
01:11:20,560 --> 01:11:17,420
still remain when we tried to classify

1628
01:11:22,990 --> 01:11:20,570
an unknown in an unknown category if it

1629
01:11:25,240 --> 01:11:23,000
is an unexplained now how do we make any

1630
01:11:27,690 --> 01:11:25,250
specific reference as to an object thing

1631
01:11:31,480 --> 01:11:27,700
and it or give it a nomenclature

1632
01:11:39,970 --> 01:11:31,490
referencing the specific objects or

1633
01:11:43,180 --> 01:11:39,980
objects or phenomena involved yes you

1634
01:11:45,250 --> 01:11:43,190
were always extremely eloquent and is

1635
01:11:45,670 --> 01:11:45,260
the Jim and I was always impressed by

1636
01:11:48,100 --> 01:11:45,680
that

1637
01:11:50,080 --> 01:11:48,110
I'd be honest with you I wasn't you know

1638
01:11:52,360 --> 01:11:50,090
I was in my early twenties I wasn't the

1639
01:11:54,730 --> 01:11:52,370
master the microphone yet we were all

1640
01:11:56,860 --> 01:11:54,740
learning at the time and I was always

1641
01:11:58,510 --> 01:11:56,870
delighted to have you on because you

1642
01:12:01,780 --> 01:11:58,520
were such a good storyteller and

1643
01:12:04,450 --> 01:12:01,790
extremely articulate also Jim to listen

1644
01:12:06,670 --> 01:12:04,460
to Dom the way he would bring up these

1645
01:12:08,410 --> 01:12:06,680
arguments and this is not the only

1646
01:12:11,980 --> 01:12:08,420
example there were several times said

1647
01:12:16,000 --> 01:12:11,990
you and had dust ups on Bob show well he

1648
01:12:18,630 --> 01:12:16,010
was how he drags in all kinds of words

1649
01:12:23,080 --> 01:12:18,640
that he probably can't even clearly

1650
01:12:26,080 --> 01:12:23,090
define himself he was talking above his

1651
01:12:28,540 --> 01:12:26,090
own head you might say just for the sake

1652
01:12:31,180 --> 01:12:28,550
of saying something although I guess it

1653
01:12:33,130 --> 01:12:31,190
was good radio so it was alright I'm

1654
01:12:35,320 --> 01:12:33,140
glad you said that Jim because I think

1655
01:12:36,370 --> 01:12:35,330
you're spot on there I think he missed

1656
01:12:43,210 --> 01:12:36,380
his calling he should have been a

1657
01:12:44,950 --> 01:12:43,220
prosecuting attorney he certainly would

1658
01:12:47,260 --> 01:12:44,960
have made more money than he did he

1659
01:12:49,720 --> 01:12:47,270
actually even though he had a good job

1660
01:12:52,030 --> 01:12:49,730
at Bendix he barely made a living

1661
01:12:54,940 --> 01:12:52,040
because he had I think three children

1662
01:12:57,640 --> 01:12:54,950
and a wife and you know it cost to live

1663
01:12:59,290 --> 01:12:57,650
it still does and I think it's changed

1664
01:13:01,630 --> 01:12:59,300
about that but he was

1665
01:13:05,080 --> 01:13:01,640
character really a fascinating character

1666
01:13:07,300 --> 01:13:05,090
now over the years Jim who had this

1667
01:13:11,080 --> 01:13:07,310
group of people who helped you found the

1668
01:13:12,520 --> 01:13:11,090
saucer news Oggy and dumb but they

1669
01:13:15,010 --> 01:13:12,530
didn't have any participation after

1670
01:13:17,590 --> 01:13:15,020
those early times right they didn't have

1671
01:13:22,090 --> 01:13:17,600
what they didn't do much with you other

1672
01:13:24,490 --> 01:13:22,100
than I was the one that actually typed

1673
01:13:27,460 --> 01:13:24,500
it I believe and at least I was the one

1674
01:13:29,140 --> 01:13:27,470
that took it to the critter and paid the

1675
01:13:33,040 --> 01:13:29,150
bill to the privet

1676
01:13:36,160 --> 01:13:33,050
so I would say that they were with me at

1677
01:13:38,770 --> 01:13:36,170
the beginning but okay and not to the

1678
01:13:40,720 --> 01:13:38,780
same extent that I was if that makes any

1679
01:13:43,660 --> 01:13:40,730
sense well when it came to paying the

1680
01:13:46,900 --> 01:13:43,670
bills the printing bills then let Jim do

1681
01:13:50,530 --> 01:13:46,910
it well yes probably I had more money

1682
01:13:52,540 --> 01:13:50,540
than they did it's always been a legend

1683
01:13:56,200 --> 01:13:52,550
in the saucer feel that I was infinitely

1684
01:13:58,330 --> 01:13:56,210
rich and perhaps that was true way back

1685
01:14:00,370 --> 01:13:58,340
then but I can tell you it's not true

1686
01:14:02,920 --> 01:14:00,380
anymore now but that's the long story

1687
01:14:05,410 --> 01:14:02,930
Jim Mosley however was not the Warren

1688
01:14:08,050 --> 01:14:05,420
Buffett of the UFO field contrary to

1689
01:14:11,440 --> 01:14:08,060
some people's opinion no one ever really

1690
01:14:13,810 --> 01:14:11,450
can compared me to Warren Buffett but

1691
01:14:15,400 --> 01:14:13,820
I'm glad that you did I think he's older

1692
01:14:19,060 --> 01:14:15,410
than you that's one difference other

1693
01:14:21,670 --> 01:14:19,070
than having slightly more money yeah but

1694
01:14:24,550 --> 01:14:21,680
these were interesting characters and we

1695
01:14:27,520 --> 01:14:24,560
have others by the way this is not the

1696
01:14:30,610 --> 01:14:27,530
end of it in future segments we'll have

1697
01:14:33,400 --> 01:14:30,620
Jim again talking about one of the

1698
01:14:36,070 --> 01:14:33,410
notorious shall we say UFO contactees

1699
01:14:37,810 --> 01:14:36,080
Howard manager who supposedly was

1700
01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:37,820
building his own flying saucer at the

1701
01:14:42,880 --> 01:14:40,010
time well hear from that guy with the

1702
01:14:45,100 --> 01:14:42,890
aluminum foil band around his head to

1703
01:14:47,560 --> 01:14:45,110
ward off evil spirits or DeRose the

1704
01:14:49,450 --> 01:14:47,570
mystic barber Yona fourtner and Jack

1705
01:14:51,670 --> 01:14:49,460
Robinson later on the show is going to

1706
01:14:54,520 --> 01:14:51,680
talk about the incredible case of a

1707
01:14:56,920 --> 01:14:54,530
friend of his Steve Brodie a case where

1708
01:14:59,800 --> 01:14:56,930
he says this is what got him interested

1709
01:15:01,330 --> 01:14:59,810
in UFO and occult studies it's kind of a

1710
01:15:03,100 --> 01:15:01,340
long segment which you'll be hearing

1711
01:15:05,440 --> 01:15:03,110
later in the show so we've got a lot of

1712
01:15:07,360 --> 01:15:05,450
meat to present and nobody should miss

1713
01:15:10,450 --> 01:15:07,370
it definitely now this is stuff where

1714
01:15:12,820 --> 01:15:10,460
Bob spent hours and hours listening to

1715
01:15:15,010 --> 01:15:12,830
the old recordings digitizing them said

1716
01:15:17,020 --> 01:15:15,020
them to me and then I gave them a shall

1717
01:15:18,730 --> 01:15:17,030
we say a shave and haircut get rid of

1718
01:15:20,610 --> 01:15:18,740
some of the background noise and bring

1719
01:15:23,530 --> 01:15:20,620
them up to date bob Zanotti

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01:15:25,420 --> 01:15:23,540
broadcaster Jim Mosley something or

1721
01:15:27,070 --> 01:15:25,430
other with gene and Chris we haven't

1722
01:15:36,210 --> 01:15:27,080
figured out what we are but we know that

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editor of Saucer smear and a case of the

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noisy air conditioner with bob zanotti

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who doesn't need an air conditioner or

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do you miss wits alone not in this

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country okay and Chris O'Brien and the

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place in Arizona where maybe the air

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conditioner need is questionable and

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Jean Steinberg where it's 80 degrees in

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Phoenix Arizona so I do need an air

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from breaking down now in the early days

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you did a story Jim about someone you

1844
01:20:35,920 --> 01:20:34,340
called the Jersey Adamski and that was

1845
01:20:38,620 --> 01:20:35,930
Howard manager contact he from New

1846
01:20:40,960 --> 01:20:38,630
Jersey who like George Adamski met

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01:20:43,780 --> 01:20:40,970
people allegedly from the planet Venus

1848
01:20:45,490 --> 01:20:43,790
and I father song from Paul McCartney

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01:20:48,280 --> 01:20:45,500
Venus and Mars are alright tonight

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before we hear you talking about your

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01:20:53,440 --> 01:20:49,940
encounter with Howard manager back in

1852
01:20:56,410 --> 01:20:53,450
1963 tell us more about him well I never

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01:20:59,020 --> 01:20:56,420
really bothered to study the details of

1854
01:21:00,870 --> 01:20:59,030
what he had seen and what he had done

1855
01:21:03,360 --> 01:21:00,880
the only time I

1856
01:21:05,640 --> 01:21:03,370
you know he got to know Howard Ledger as

1857
01:21:08,030 --> 01:21:05,650
to any degree was the time that he was

1858
01:21:10,700 --> 01:21:08,040
one of the main speakers at this classic

1859
01:21:14,040 --> 01:21:10,710
convention that I had in New York in

1860
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1967 he was one of the featured speakers

1861
01:21:19,260 --> 01:21:16,239
and he in his wife stayed at my

1862
01:21:21,450 --> 01:21:19,270
apartment in New York and I was staying

1863
01:21:25,379 --> 01:21:21,460
at the Commodore hotel which is where

1864
01:21:27,330 --> 01:21:25,389
the convention was being held so during

1865
01:21:30,120 --> 01:21:27,340
that visit I got to know him quite well

1866
01:21:32,070 --> 01:21:30,130
and what I watched about Hollinger more

1867
01:21:34,590 --> 01:21:32,080
than anything else I made it pretty

1868
01:21:38,100 --> 01:21:34,600
clear to him all along in a polite way

1869
01:21:40,970 --> 01:21:38,110
that I didn't really buy his surely as

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long as I might have put it but I did

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01:21:45,810 --> 01:21:43,870
respect him and liked him and and he

1872
01:21:47,160 --> 01:21:45,820
eating a whole lot of gadgety which was

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01:21:49,379 --> 01:21:47,170
unusual

1874
01:21:51,689 --> 01:21:49,389
now interesting Jim there was a time a

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01:21:54,570 --> 01:21:51,699
couple of years before that were you and

1876
01:21:56,189 --> 01:21:54,580
I met meander at this diner across the

1877
01:21:58,410 --> 01:21:56,199
street from your offices in New York

1878
01:22:00,930 --> 01:21:58,420
City that's when he started getting on

1879
01:22:03,810 --> 01:22:00,940
this kick where he didn't think he

1880
01:22:09,649 --> 01:22:03,820
really contacted et it was some kind of

1881
01:22:24,149 --> 01:22:14,010
very amusing I think for a short time

1882
01:22:27,300 --> 01:22:24,159
Long John had a TV show and only his but

1883
01:22:31,140 --> 01:22:27,310
Howard manager was and I did not even

1884
01:22:34,470 --> 01:22:31,150
hear or see the TV show but it became

1885
01:22:38,040 --> 01:22:34,480
legendary when the manager got on the

1886
01:22:41,250 --> 01:22:38,050
show he was on this new kick as you just

1887
01:22:43,129 --> 01:22:41,260
suggested and he had decided somehow

1888
01:22:45,780 --> 01:22:43,139
know the thing entities he saw and the

1889
01:22:47,669 --> 01:22:45,790
experiences that he had were somehow

1890
01:22:50,610 --> 01:22:47,679
connected with the American government

1891
01:22:55,860 --> 01:22:50,620
and were not connected with faith at all

1892
01:22:58,649 --> 01:22:55,870
and I hear child that longs almost had a

1893
01:23:00,930 --> 01:22:58,659
heart attack he didn't respect this the

1894
01:23:03,300 --> 01:23:00,940
whole idea of having a mind worth to

1895
01:23:05,970 --> 01:23:03,310
talk about flying saucers from outer

1896
01:23:10,140 --> 01:23:05,980
space and that he had changed his whole

1897
01:23:12,060 --> 01:23:10,150
story completely and it wasn't what Long

1898
01:23:13,350 --> 01:23:12,070
John wanted to hear I don't know if it

1899
01:23:15,570 --> 01:23:13,360
was what the audience

1900
01:23:19,010 --> 01:23:15,580
wanted to hear but that was the last

1901
01:23:22,860 --> 01:23:19,020
time I'm sure that manager was on any

1902
01:23:25,860 --> 01:23:22,870
logs on show radio or television and

1903
01:23:27,810 --> 01:23:25,870
sometimes later you did a session on Bob

1904
01:23:30,570 --> 01:23:27,820
show where you talked about Howard

1905
01:23:31,350 --> 01:23:30,580
manager and his plans to build a flying

1906
01:23:33,060 --> 01:23:31,360
saucer

1907
01:23:34,980 --> 01:23:33,070
well there's a number of new things I

1908
01:23:36,930 --> 01:23:34,990
might mention for example that the

1909
01:23:39,540 --> 01:23:36,940
Howard measure has been very active

1910
01:23:43,350 --> 01:23:39,550
lately I've never been a particular fan

1911
01:23:45,120 --> 01:23:43,360
of mr. menders but he is a person who is

1912
01:23:47,250 --> 01:23:45,130
very well known in the field you may

1913
01:23:51,000 --> 01:23:47,260
recall that a number of years ago he had

1914
01:23:53,190 --> 01:23:51,010
faced contact now however he is no

1915
01:23:56,010 --> 01:23:53,200
longer having space contacts or if he is

1916
01:23:59,570 --> 01:23:56,020
he will not say so he is now in the free

1917
01:24:02,100 --> 01:23:59,580
energy field and he is currently in a

1918
01:24:05,760 --> 01:24:02,110
unknown location in Pennsylvania

1919
01:24:10,200 --> 01:24:05,770
building a craft which he calls the x4

1920
01:24:12,030 --> 01:24:10,210
this is to be a model not a thing large

1921
01:24:15,030 --> 01:24:12,040
enough for a human being to go up and is

1922
01:24:17,600 --> 01:24:15,040
simply a model which when it is

1923
01:24:20,910 --> 01:24:17,610
completed will be radio controlled and

1924
01:24:23,400 --> 01:24:20,920
will be operating on a new principle

1925
01:24:25,680 --> 01:24:23,410
which Menzer claims to have invented by

1926
01:24:27,570 --> 01:24:25,690
himself or possibly with some help from

1927
01:24:29,340 --> 01:24:27,580
the space people although he will not

1928
01:24:31,230 --> 01:24:29,350
admit to this so I had an interview

1929
01:24:33,150 --> 01:24:31,240
recently with mr. Majer and sounded

1930
01:24:35,580 --> 01:24:33,160
quite interesting and he says that as

1931
01:24:37,920 --> 01:24:35,590
soon as he has the model ready to

1932
01:24:41,040 --> 01:24:37,930
operate he will let me know and he will

1933
01:24:43,380 --> 01:24:41,050
have a special test demonstration at

1934
01:24:46,440 --> 01:24:43,390
which several scientists will be present

1935
01:24:48,420 --> 01:24:46,450
I'm not a scientist but I believe I will

1936
01:24:50,130 --> 01:24:48,430
also be allowed to be present there will

1937
01:24:52,860 --> 01:24:50,140
be an Air Force colonel there according

1938
01:24:55,320 --> 01:24:52,870
to mr. mentor and after the success for

1939
01:24:58,050 --> 01:24:55,330
we hope successful demonstration and

1940
01:25:00,210 --> 01:24:58,060
there will be a convention I believe

1941
01:25:02,190 --> 01:25:00,220
that after he has a successful

1942
01:25:04,890 --> 01:25:02,200
demonstration was this particular model

1943
01:25:07,020 --> 01:25:04,900
he will either sell the model or he will

1944
01:25:09,420 --> 01:25:07,030
create several identical ones or

1945
01:25:11,340 --> 01:25:09,430
improved ones and sell them he's talking

1946
01:25:14,040 --> 01:25:11,350
about eventually getting an 8-foot job

1947
01:25:17,070 --> 01:25:14,050
which will have a person in it and which

1948
01:25:18,740 --> 01:25:17,080
will simply be controlled by the persons

1949
01:25:20,660 --> 01:25:18,750
that is in the craft however

1950
01:25:22,730 --> 01:25:20,670
the present he's only got radio control

1951
01:25:25,280 --> 01:25:22,740
models now frankly I want to make it

1952
01:25:27,260 --> 01:25:25,290
clear I don't have any particular faith

1953
01:25:29,030 --> 01:25:27,270
in whether this will work or not all I

1954
01:25:30,680 --> 01:25:29,040
know is that mr. major was kind enough

1955
01:25:33,080 --> 01:25:30,690
to tell me all about it and give me a

1956
01:25:35,870 --> 01:25:33,090
rather exclusive story for my magazine

1957
01:25:37,640 --> 01:25:35,880
and beyond that I really know nothing I

1958
01:25:39,320 --> 01:25:37,650
haven't seen the crafts I haven't seen

1959
01:25:41,330 --> 01:25:39,330
the place in Pennsylvania where major is

1960
01:25:43,190 --> 01:25:41,340
working and I can not give any

1961
01:25:45,800 --> 01:25:43,200
first-hand information on how much of

1962
01:25:50,570 --> 01:25:45,810
this is true and the timeline on that

1963
01:25:59,480 --> 01:25:50,580
gene was 1963 59 years later was still

1964
01:26:02,530 --> 01:25:59,490
waiting right kind of reminds me of

1965
01:26:04,850 --> 01:26:02,540
Steven Greer in his contactee

1966
01:26:07,480 --> 01:26:04,860
experiences sort of morphing into the

1967
01:26:10,550 --> 01:26:07,490
whole realm of free energy devices that

1968
01:26:12,950 --> 01:26:10,560
were still waiting to see I think you

1969
01:26:15,050 --> 01:26:12,960
notice t car remember him he was

1970
01:26:19,210 --> 01:26:15,060
building a saucer - that never

1971
01:26:28,580 --> 01:26:19,220
materialized yes didn't turn out to be

1972
01:26:31,730 --> 01:26:28,590
some kind of at a carnival or amusement

1973
01:26:32,720 --> 01:26:31,740
park out in Oklahoma City or have I got

1974
01:26:34,550 --> 01:26:32,730
that mixed up

1975
01:26:37,490 --> 01:26:34,560
well the version of the story I heard

1976
01:26:40,160 --> 01:26:37,500
from some audio I remember was that he

1977
01:26:42,020 --> 01:26:40,170
was quite serious in fact he if I

1978
01:26:44,480 --> 01:26:42,030
remember correctly you were invited to

1979
01:26:46,370 --> 01:26:44,490
take a test ride in it I think Long John

1980
01:26:48,110 --> 01:26:46,380
Neville was also invited but couldn't

1981
01:26:49,940 --> 01:26:48,120
make it because of a dinner arrangement

1982
01:26:51,980 --> 01:26:49,950
at that time God watch out for those

1983
01:26:54,590 --> 01:26:51,990
dinner arrangements they really hurt

1984
01:27:00,020 --> 01:26:54,600
your scheduling yeah Jackie Gleason I

1985
01:27:05,960 --> 01:27:00,030
think was also invited but nothing and I

1986
01:27:08,870 --> 01:27:05,970
believe an incident there where Otis T

1987
01:27:13,100 --> 01:27:08,880
car tried to commit suicide because of

1988
01:27:16,160 --> 01:27:13,110
his inability to / to provide what he in

1989
01:27:19,130 --> 01:27:16,170
promised and I'm not I'm very hazy about

1990
01:27:20,990 --> 01:27:19,140
some of it but I think possibly he found

1991
01:27:23,150 --> 01:27:21,000
a way to get himself admitted to the

1992
01:27:25,970 --> 01:27:23,160
hospital so he did not have to make good

1993
01:27:29,480 --> 01:27:25,980
on his cleave yet yeah that's correct

1994
01:27:32,240 --> 01:27:29,490
he probably pretended to try to commit

1995
01:27:35,240 --> 01:27:32,250
suicide so he'd be out of sight when

1996
01:27:37,100 --> 01:27:35,250
everybody realized the thing wasn't ever

1997
01:27:40,190 --> 01:27:37,110
going to work and he didn't want a faith

1998
01:27:42,860 --> 01:27:40,200
for people that probably had put money

1999
01:27:44,960 --> 01:27:42,870
into it and also face the authorities

2000
01:27:48,050 --> 01:27:44,970
who might try to arrest him well I'm too

2001
01:27:55,610 --> 01:27:48,060
sick crazy you don't want to arrest a

2002
01:27:58,670 --> 01:27:55,620
person who is mentally ill right we had

2003
01:28:01,670 --> 01:27:58,680
so many of those back in the 60s and I

2004
01:28:04,250 --> 01:28:01,680
have to kind of think here that we don't

2005
01:28:06,170 --> 01:28:04,260
have that kind of character in these

2006
01:28:08,120 --> 01:28:06,180
days we've got another one in the next

2007
01:28:11,300 --> 01:28:08,130
segment that I'll tell you about but

2008
01:28:13,550 --> 01:28:11,310
yeah we didn't have such as they say

2009
01:28:16,040 --> 01:28:13,560
over-the-top characters today they tend

2010
01:28:18,140 --> 01:28:16,050
to be more straight ahead even if the

2011
01:28:22,030 --> 01:28:18,150
stories are completely crazy well I

2012
01:28:26,210 --> 01:28:22,040
think more practice and putting on a

2013
01:28:29,510 --> 01:28:26,220
veneer of sanity so that they'll pass

2014
01:28:32,600 --> 01:28:29,520
muster with at least part of the public

2015
01:28:34,490 --> 01:28:32,610
here in those days they could be as

2016
01:28:37,190 --> 01:28:34,500
outlandish as they could be they could

2017
01:28:39,800 --> 01:28:37,200
wear those propeller heads and do all

2018
01:28:42,410 --> 01:28:39,810
those crazy things and people would

2019
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accept them put them on TV put them on

2020
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radio and pay attention and buy their

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books today if you want to sell a saucer

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book good luck yet today it's important

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to marry fantasy with pseudoscience

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that's the magic formula today back in

2025
01:29:00,620 --> 01:28:58,560
the the 50s and 60s people enjoyed a

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good show and as you say yeah they could

2027
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say anything they wanted the wilder the

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better and people lapped it up today of

2029
01:29:12,620 --> 01:29:09,360
course we have them competing with 24/7

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cable news and they have to find the

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stories but these days it's more about

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politics and show business personalities

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unfortunately Bob Zanotti radio

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broadcaster joining us Jim Mosley those

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the editor publisher of saucer smear and

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will let you know in the next segment

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Mosely editor of saucer smear and Bob

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Zanotti radio broadcaster with Jean and

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Chris on the power cast Jim we're all

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waiting with bated breath and we'll take

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with bated breath Jim Mosely how do we

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709 Key West 2 words Key West Florida 3

2141
01:35:04,150 --> 01:34:58,730
3 0 4 1 and then if you like the sample

2142
01:35:07,360 --> 01:35:04,160
coffee you could send as many people

2143
01:35:09,550 --> 01:35:07,370
have done in the past and going on into

2144
01:35:12,190 --> 01:35:09,560
the present and of course we're very

2145
01:35:15,340 --> 01:35:12,200
happy to have more people who we call

2146
01:35:18,160 --> 01:35:15,350
non subscribers because there is no

2147
01:35:20,860 --> 01:35:18,170
subscription price you send in any

2148
01:35:25,300 --> 01:35:20,870
amount that you consider reasonable and

2149
01:35:27,730 --> 01:35:25,310
we accept it which is just a very quick

2150
01:35:31,810 --> 01:35:27,740
question here at what point in time and

2151
01:35:34,990 --> 01:35:31,820
why did saucer news become saucer smear

2152
01:35:42,970 --> 01:35:35,000
well that's an interesting question I

2153
01:35:47,140 --> 01:35:42,980
actually dropped gray Barker took it

2154
01:35:51,280 --> 01:35:47,150
over for a short time in the very late

2155
01:35:54,790 --> 01:35:51,290
sixties into perhaps 1972 and then there

2156
01:35:57,070 --> 01:35:54,800
was a gap and I started up again because

2157
01:35:58,930 --> 01:35:57,080
the Barker just dropped the ball he

2158
01:36:01,420 --> 01:35:58,940
could afford to keep the thing going

2159
01:36:03,880 --> 01:36:01,430
apparently so when I came back I said

2160
01:36:06,129 --> 01:36:03,890
well I'm gonna do it differently and I'm

2161
01:36:08,819 --> 01:36:06,139
not going to try to have

2162
01:36:11,229 --> 01:36:08,829
serious long-winded stories like

2163
01:36:13,569 --> 01:36:11,239
researchers and I'm not better try to

2164
01:36:16,929 --> 01:36:13,579
keep up with everything in the field I'm

2165
01:36:19,569 --> 01:36:16,939
just going to enjoy myself and one of

2166
01:36:22,270 --> 01:36:19,579
the ways I enjoyed myself was to take

2167
01:36:25,350 --> 01:36:22,280
something whatever cute interesting or

2168
01:36:28,659 --> 01:36:25,360
funny title for the magazine and that

2169
01:36:31,360 --> 01:36:28,669
talking about now you had a different

2170
01:36:32,639 --> 01:36:31,370
name for the magazine every issue yeah

2171
01:36:38,770 --> 01:36:32,649
[Music]

2172
01:36:42,969 --> 01:36:38,780
that was family well Eric Becky Becky

2173
01:36:46,509 --> 01:36:42,979
who is another strange character that

2174
01:36:48,850 --> 01:36:46,519
goes a long way back he was mainly into

2175
01:36:51,759 --> 01:36:48,860
Bigfoot among other things but he

2176
01:36:54,429 --> 01:36:51,769
claimed that he was the one that

2177
01:36:58,029 --> 01:36:54,439
suggested sausage smear to be my

2178
01:37:01,060 --> 01:36:58,039
permanent title and when I refused it to

2179
01:37:03,819 --> 01:37:01,070
confirm that and make a big thing of it

2180
01:37:07,600 --> 01:37:03,829
in the magazine he became so hard bitter

2181
01:37:09,489 --> 01:37:07,610
but that's another one story we had some

2182
01:37:12,779 --> 01:37:09,499
really crazy characters I'm going to

2183
01:37:16,029 --> 01:37:12,789
have one more really out-of-this-world

2184
01:37:19,029 --> 01:37:16,039
outrageous person so Bob Zanotti

2185
01:37:21,549 --> 01:37:19,039
who was the mystic barber or what was

2186
01:37:25,029 --> 01:37:21,559
the mystic barber also known as the

2187
01:37:26,949 --> 01:37:25,039
tongues or heal artist of Brooklyn which

2188
01:37:30,909 --> 01:37:26,959
gives a little bit of a way and I think

2189
01:37:33,219 --> 01:37:30,919
we have to be very complete hear about

2190
01:37:37,239 --> 01:37:33,229
his ethnicity he was I believe first

2191
01:37:38,949 --> 01:37:37,249
generation Sicilian and I speak Italian

2192
01:37:41,649 --> 01:37:38,959
and then I speak a little bit of English

2193
01:37:43,689 --> 01:37:41,659
so I can tell in his speech pattern one

2194
01:37:45,879 --> 01:37:43,699
of the reasons why people have always

2195
01:37:48,699 --> 01:37:45,889
had difficulty in understanding him it's

2196
01:37:51,189 --> 01:37:48,709
because he mixes Italian any grammar and

2197
01:37:53,770 --> 01:37:51,199
syntax with English and sometimes he

2198
01:37:56,199 --> 01:37:53,780
goes completely off on a tangent he was

2199
01:37:59,350 --> 01:37:56,209
a big star on the long John show in the

2200
01:38:01,270 --> 01:37:59,360
early days as I needn't tell you and he

2201
01:38:02,979 --> 01:38:01,280
did all kinds of it he was into the

2202
01:38:05,679 --> 01:38:02,989
Darrow's the race of people lived

2203
01:38:08,350 --> 01:38:05,689
underground he was very big on astral

2204
01:38:11,020 --> 01:38:08,360
projection which of course is a still

2205
01:38:13,239 --> 01:38:11,030
around with us today a big big topic of

2206
01:38:15,520 --> 01:38:13,249
discussion he was one of the pioneers

2207
01:38:18,100 --> 01:38:15,530
can we call him he would wear a headband

2208
01:38:19,130 --> 01:38:18,110
that would receive messages from the

2209
01:38:22,910 --> 01:38:19,140
Martians and

2210
01:38:24,970 --> 01:38:22,920
other extraterrestrial beings and he had

2211
01:38:28,130 --> 01:38:24,980
close contact with all of these people

2212
01:38:29,060 --> 01:38:28,140
he I think he was that he's gone to the

2213
01:38:32,120 --> 01:38:29,070
center of the earth

2214
01:38:34,040 --> 01:38:32,130
he went to Mars frequently and he had

2215
01:38:37,430 --> 01:38:34,050
close contact with all of these people

2216
01:38:39,380 --> 01:38:37,440
and and and he lived and breathed this

2217
01:38:41,110 --> 01:38:39,390
folklore and I want to tell you we have

2218
01:38:43,340 --> 01:38:41,120
a clip coming up here right now which

2219
01:38:45,470 --> 01:38:43,350
for technical reasons it was never

2220
01:38:47,720 --> 01:38:45,480
broadcast not because the quality was no

2221
01:38:49,910 --> 01:38:47,730
good but there was a screw-up at the

2222
01:38:52,100 --> 01:38:49,920
station where I was working and they

2223
01:38:55,190 --> 01:38:52,110
forgot to put it on it was recorded

2224
01:38:59,840 --> 01:38:55,200
after a saucer news lecture and this was

2225
01:39:02,570 --> 01:38:59,850
the very last show I did at that station

2226
01:39:05,060 --> 01:39:02,580
and and we understand why when you hear

2227
01:39:17,600 --> 01:39:05,070
this this is the mystic barber Andy

2228
01:40:17,510 --> 01:39:17,610
Sinatra perhaps other guy names and

2229
01:40:20,140 --> 01:40:17,520
gentlemen you understand basically

2230
01:40:27,070 --> 01:40:20,150
because they've heard so much about your

2231
01:40:27,080 --> 01:40:51,890
[Music]

2232
01:41:50,580 --> 01:41:48,660
what is the there are people right now

2233
01:41:53,669 --> 01:41:50,590
listening to this in their cars and

2234
01:41:55,560 --> 01:41:53,679
they're right now falling off the road

2235
01:42:00,029 --> 01:41:55,570
you know they're just basically skidding

2236
01:42:02,970 --> 01:42:00,039
out of control listening to this guy he

2237
01:42:04,739 --> 01:42:02,980
said the uranium's had their

2238
01:42:09,750 --> 01:42:04,749
reproductive organs on their heads

2239
01:42:12,060 --> 01:42:09,760
that's right guys

2240
01:42:15,330 --> 01:42:12,070
genial appreciate this because you work

2241
01:42:17,700 --> 01:42:15,340
as you edit all the time as well that

2242
01:42:20,640 --> 01:42:17,710
telephone interview with the mystic

2243
01:42:23,489 --> 01:42:20,650
barber and the Sinatra went on for about

2244
01:42:26,399 --> 01:42:23,499
40 minutes and I tell you that what we

2245
01:42:29,489 --> 01:42:26,409
just heard was the distillate of the

2246
01:42:32,640 --> 01:42:29,499
most coherent pieces of that interview

2247
01:42:34,799 --> 01:42:32,650
so basically out of 40 minutes of in

2248
01:42:36,160 --> 01:42:34,809
coherence you got two and a half minutes

2249
01:42:40,270 --> 01:42:36,170
of semi coherence

2250
01:42:43,480 --> 01:42:40,280
it was an exercise in really serious

2251
01:42:46,480 --> 01:42:43,490
editing probably an exercise in patience

2252
01:42:49,450 --> 01:42:46,490
oh yeah I'd like to throw in a little

2253
01:42:52,090 --> 01:42:49,460
thing I only had one an interesting

2254
01:42:55,360 --> 01:42:52,100
experience with the mystic barber myself

2255
01:42:59,470 --> 01:42:55,370
I don't remember what the exact reason

2256
01:43:02,470 --> 01:42:59,480
was but maybe it was un de maybe it was

2257
01:43:06,490 --> 01:43:02,480
some other weird holiday but on a

2258
01:43:09,520 --> 01:43:06,500
certain day a mystic barber decided to

2259
01:43:13,000 --> 01:43:09,530
have a one-man demonstration in front of

2260
01:43:16,750 --> 01:43:13,010
the United Nations building in New York

2261
01:43:19,800 --> 01:43:16,760
and I don't think anybody else was with

2262
01:43:22,510 --> 01:43:19,810
us I had a camera with me and I

2263
01:43:25,200 --> 01:43:22,520
accompanied the mystic barber over there

2264
01:43:29,710 --> 01:43:25,210
and he was standing across the street

2265
01:43:31,240 --> 01:43:29,720
from the UN with his strange headdress

2266
01:43:33,190 --> 01:43:31,250
and so on

2267
01:43:34,840 --> 01:43:33,200
I understand Johnny Depp's gonna wear

2268
01:43:37,540 --> 01:43:34,850
that in the new version of The Lone

2269
01:43:40,600 --> 01:43:37,550
Ranger no that's not true very very

2270
01:43:42,760 --> 01:43:40,610
likely but anyway he was deliberately

2271
01:43:44,920 --> 01:43:42,770
attracting attention I don't think he

2272
01:43:48,040 --> 01:43:44,930
was yelling or anything but a cop came

2273
01:43:51,100 --> 01:43:48,050
over and wanted to know basically what

2274
01:43:53,770 --> 01:43:51,110
he was up to I think and he pulled out

2275
01:43:55,690 --> 01:43:53,780
some sort of ID and he was you know I'm

2276
01:43:58,600 --> 01:43:55,700
trying to explain himself being so very

2277
01:44:02,350 --> 01:43:58,610
like and while that was going on I took

2278
01:44:05,470 --> 01:44:02,360
a picture of the cop that are talking to

2279
01:44:07,660 --> 01:44:05,480
Andy and I put the picture on the cover

2280
01:44:09,340 --> 01:44:07,670
of the next filter news and I'll tell

2281
01:44:11,470 --> 01:44:09,350
you what must have been one of the best

2282
01:44:13,360 --> 01:44:11,480
selling issues of saucer news ever we

2283
01:44:16,630 --> 01:44:13,370
have Jim Mosley currently working with

2284
01:44:27,679 --> 01:44:16,640
saucer smear we have Bob Sanaa tea with

2285
01:44:34,069 --> 01:44:30,890
the GZ and Radio Network providing the

2286
01:44:39,080 --> 01:44:34,079
world with hard-hitting talk radio G C

2287
01:44:40,549 --> 01:44:39,090
and great talk radio starts here hi Ted

2288
01:44:42,770 --> 01:44:40,559
Anderson announcing a great way to

2289
01:44:44,959 --> 01:44:42,780
listen to radio on the telephone by

2290
01:44:47,029 --> 01:44:44,969
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2291
01:44:49,609 --> 01:44:47,039
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2293
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2294
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2295
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2296
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2299
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2300
01:45:11,209 --> 01:45:09,689
hi this is Ted Anderson have you ever

2301
01:45:12,739 --> 01:45:11,219
wondered why banks stockbrokers

2302
01:45:14,629 --> 01:45:12,749
investment advisors won't talk about

2303
01:45:16,520 --> 01:45:14,639
gold IRAs they've been available since

2304
01:45:18,199 --> 01:45:16,530
nineteen eighty six yet the financial

2305
01:45:19,909 --> 01:45:18,209
industry won't recognize the value of

2306
01:45:21,859 --> 01:45:19,919
gold for your retirement goal has

2307
01:45:23,000 --> 01:45:21,869
outperformed paper investments yet no

2308
01:45:24,620 --> 01:45:23,010
word about IRAs

2309
01:45:38,010 --> 01:45:24,630
if you would like to have gold for your

2310
01:45:39,590 --> 01:45:38,020
retirement call 806-853-9949

2311
01:45:52,449 --> 01:45:39,600
[Music]

2312
01:46:02,709 --> 01:45:59,799
here's Jane Steinberg so Chris having

2313
01:46:04,689 --> 01:46:02,719
heard all these personalities so far who

2314
01:46:06,879 --> 01:46:04,699
do you think is the wackiest got to be

2315
01:46:09,159 --> 01:46:06,889
the mystic barber huh uh the mystic

2316
01:46:12,520 --> 01:46:09,169
barber I think is a couple of brushes

2317
01:46:14,169 --> 01:46:12,530
short of a he's a couple of brushes

2318
01:46:15,489 --> 01:46:14,179
short of something we haven't figured

2319
01:46:18,339 --> 01:46:15,499
out what I haven't figured it out yet

2320
01:46:19,839 --> 01:46:18,349
but boy Bob that was a great editing job

2321
01:46:23,739 --> 01:46:19,849
I never would have known that that was

2322
01:46:26,909 --> 01:46:23,749
condensed down from 45 minutes long the

2323
01:46:30,009 --> 01:46:26,919
original so you can hear it right now

2324
01:46:32,290 --> 01:46:30,019
sure sure had some characters back then

2325
01:46:34,179 --> 01:46:32,300
we don't have the quality of characters

2326
01:46:35,770 --> 01:46:34,189
as was pointed out in the last segment I

2327
01:46:38,739 --> 01:46:35,780
think we don't have the quality of

2328
01:46:40,810 --> 01:46:38,749
characters today prophet Yahweh is has

2329
01:46:42,640 --> 01:46:40,820
been one of my favorites over the the

2330
01:46:44,770 --> 01:46:42,650
last 10 or so years he was quite a

2331
01:46:48,100 --> 01:46:44,780
character speaking of characters here's

2332
01:46:50,350 --> 01:46:48,110
somebody that I knew fairly well and he

2333
01:46:53,589 --> 01:46:50,360
was probably one of the most brilliant

2334
01:46:55,330 --> 01:46:53,599
people I ever met at the same time that

2335
01:46:56,859 --> 01:46:55,340
brilliance came with a link in his eye

2336
01:46:58,779 --> 01:46:56,869
you didn't know whether he was telling

2337
01:47:01,120 --> 01:46:58,789
you the truth or not or whether he was

2338
01:47:04,359 --> 01:47:01,130
playing a word game with you and that

2339
01:47:06,669 --> 01:47:04,369
was none other than jana fourtner Jim

2340
01:47:10,479 --> 01:47:06,679
tell us about Jana well you know it was

2341
01:47:15,040 --> 01:47:10,489
a very complex guy he had suffered from

2342
01:47:18,040 --> 01:47:15,050
polio ever since he was maybe less than

2343
01:47:21,459 --> 01:47:18,050
10 years old and of course that's a

2344
01:47:23,439 --> 01:47:21,469
terrible handicap and he had that

2345
01:47:26,049 --> 01:47:23,449
throughout his life he started out on

2346
01:47:28,959 --> 01:47:26,059
crutches but as he got older he got

2347
01:47:30,909 --> 01:47:28,969
heavier and heavier and that's a given

2348
01:47:34,929 --> 01:47:30,919
point I don't think he could even get

2349
01:47:38,520 --> 01:47:34,939
around that way but anyhow yes he had a

2350
01:47:42,370 --> 01:47:38,530
brilliant mind he was a unique guy

2351
01:47:45,159 --> 01:47:42,380
because for one thing he said she is

2352
01:47:49,509 --> 01:47:45,169
long gone I can say this he could lie to

2353
01:47:52,509 --> 01:47:49,519
you absolutely tell you the things that

2354
01:47:55,989 --> 01:47:52,519
we're not true and could not be true and

2355
01:47:59,259 --> 01:47:55,999
he would sound just the same just as

2356
01:48:01,600 --> 01:47:59,269
convincing and and just as serious as if

2357
01:48:03,649 --> 01:48:01,610
he was telling something that you knew

2358
01:48:05,950 --> 01:48:03,659
was probably true so he

2359
01:48:09,790 --> 01:48:05,960
who could beat the lie detector test

2360
01:48:11,660 --> 01:48:09,800
yeah Yona also came up with a theory of

2361
01:48:16,070 --> 01:48:11,670
extraterrestrial ism and he used the

2362
01:48:18,010 --> 01:48:16,080
name YN erbyn operon why did he do that

2363
01:48:23,000 --> 01:48:18,020
that was supposedly his Hebrew name

2364
01:48:25,160 --> 01:48:23,010
yeah Ortner was his stepfathers name his

2365
01:48:28,970 --> 01:48:25,170
I forget what happened to his real

2366
01:48:32,450 --> 01:48:28,980
father but his mother remarried a army

2367
01:48:34,700 --> 01:48:32,460
sergeant may important his genuine

2368
01:48:38,660 --> 01:48:34,710
Hebrew name or whatever you want to call

2369
01:48:42,680 --> 01:48:38,670
it was the given a Quran which means if

2370
01:48:47,629 --> 01:48:42,690
it means the son of I believe in some

2371
01:48:50,360 --> 01:48:47,639
language and everyone means now in this

2372
01:48:51,950 --> 01:48:50,370
particular segment Jonah is railing

2373
01:48:53,629 --> 01:48:51,960
against a new leadership of an

2374
01:48:56,330 --> 01:48:53,639
organization called the Borderlands

2375
01:48:58,280 --> 01:48:56,340
Sciences Research Associates and I

2376
01:49:02,060 --> 01:48:58,290
understand folks this is an organization

2377
01:49:04,459 --> 01:49:02,070
that came out in the 1940s that was

2378
01:49:06,470 --> 01:49:04,469
talking about creatures beings whatever

2379
01:49:09,560 --> 01:49:06,480
from other dimensions one of the

2380
01:49:12,890 --> 01:49:09,570
founding theories about alternative UFO

2381
01:49:15,649 --> 01:49:12,900
research is about 4d UFOs and this

2382
01:49:20,680 --> 01:49:15,659
organization was talking about that but

2383
01:49:27,169 --> 01:49:23,780
point he raised a little bit back he

2384
01:49:29,810 --> 01:49:27,179
spoke about this esra is a defunct

2385
01:49:32,660 --> 01:49:29,820
organization or at least in the past

2386
01:49:35,120 --> 01:49:32,670
tense and as those of us in Sasa

2387
01:49:37,459 --> 01:49:35,130
research know and Yona

2388
01:49:40,310 --> 01:49:37,469
knows even better having been envious

2389
01:49:43,220 --> 01:49:40,320
already for many years it's still a very

2390
01:49:45,800 --> 01:49:43,230
active group out in california and maybe

2391
01:49:48,500 --> 01:49:45,810
some more about that we can get into but

2392
01:49:49,790 --> 01:49:48,510
what do you have against the presence of

2393
01:49:52,760 --> 01:49:49,800
the SRA

2394
01:49:55,910 --> 01:49:52,770
well again let's have a little bit of

2395
01:49:58,100 --> 01:49:55,920
history here DSR is an organization

2396
01:50:02,630 --> 01:49:58,110
which is associated with something

2397
01:50:06,040 --> 01:50:02,640
called the 4d theory of UFOs of flying

2398
01:50:09,170 --> 01:50:06,050
saucers the 4d theory is again

2399
01:50:12,350 --> 01:50:09,180
predicated upon ancient occult concepts

2400
01:50:16,400 --> 01:50:12,360
that tell us that the universe is the

2401
01:50:19,190 --> 01:50:16,410
result of a set of vibration as you move

2402
01:50:22,640 --> 01:50:19,200
up and down the scale of vibrations you

2403
01:50:25,250 --> 01:50:22,650
get a manifestation and de manifestation

2404
01:50:28,700 --> 01:50:25,260
and you get a whole series of parallel

2405
01:50:31,460 --> 01:50:28,710
universes and so according to the be SRA

2406
01:50:34,040 --> 01:50:31,470
Theory the saucers don't come from other

2407
01:50:36,740 --> 01:50:34,050
worlds and yet they're not made on our

2408
01:50:40,700 --> 01:50:36,750
world they're made on other worlds which

2409
01:50:44,390 --> 01:50:40,710
are next to our world these worlds exist

2410
01:50:46,790 --> 01:50:44,400
in the same space as we do but not on

2411
01:50:52,670 --> 01:50:46,800
the same level of vibration

2412
01:50:56,570 --> 01:50:52,680
esra was organized way back in 1937 by a

2413
01:50:59,840 --> 01:50:56,580
retired university professor dr. Newton

2414
01:51:02,260 --> 01:50:59,850
Mead Lane who had been a professor of

2415
01:51:05,390 --> 01:51:02,270
Romance languages at the University of

2416
01:51:09,440 --> 01:51:05,400
Wisconsin and dr. Lane lived in San

2417
01:51:11,780 --> 01:51:09,450
Diego California and he got to know

2418
01:51:15,020 --> 01:51:11,790
shall I say a number of people who

2419
01:51:18,260 --> 01:51:15,030
thought of things as he did and they

2420
01:51:21,830 --> 01:51:18,270
were basically way out people interested

2421
01:51:25,460 --> 01:51:21,840
in the borderland regions of physics and

2422
01:51:28,760 --> 01:51:25,470
cosmology and chemistry and they

2423
01:51:31,280 --> 01:51:28,770
organized to the flying roll group which

2424
01:51:33,860 --> 01:51:31,290
a few years later became borderline

2425
01:51:37,760 --> 01:51:33,870
Sciences Research Associates the

2426
01:51:42,530 --> 01:51:37,770
organization enjoyed a certain modest

2427
01:51:46,130 --> 01:51:42,540
celebrity among the the occult societies

2428
01:51:48,169 --> 01:51:46,140
here and in other countries and a good

2429
01:51:53,000 --> 01:51:48,179
deal of prestige

2430
01:51:57,160 --> 01:51:53,010
and in 1957 dr. lanes health began to

2431
01:52:00,950 --> 01:51:57,170
fail so we have this interesting

2432
01:52:04,310 --> 01:52:00,960
panorama or this interesting a view of

2433
01:52:07,490 --> 01:52:04,320
an aging gentleman who needed a bit of

2434
01:52:09,620 --> 01:52:07,500
money for his retirement and so he

2435
01:52:12,410 --> 01:52:09,630
wanted to sell out a perfectly

2436
01:52:14,689 --> 01:52:12,420
legitimate thing be SRA was in effect a

2437
01:52:17,959 --> 01:52:14,699
small business I suppose you might say

2438
01:52:21,320 --> 01:52:17,969
and it did make money which is which is

2439
01:52:24,189 --> 01:52:21,330
a great novelty and that sort of thing

2440
01:52:27,500 --> 01:52:24,199
the public may think that all these

2441
01:52:28,189 --> 01:52:27,510
magazines are money the business not

2442
01:52:31,970 --> 01:52:28,199
true

2443
01:52:35,959 --> 01:52:31,980
CSR is almost unique in that respect and

2444
01:52:40,939 --> 01:52:35,969
so he sold out to a gentleman and this

2445
01:52:43,700 --> 01:52:40,949
gentleman felt that dr. Lane had no

2446
01:52:47,419 --> 01:52:43,710
right to sell the organisation because

2447
01:52:51,350 --> 01:52:47,429
it was a membership organisation and he

2448
01:52:54,590 --> 01:52:51,360
accused some kind of a commentary on the

2449
01:52:59,120 --> 01:52:54,600
laws of the state of California and a

2450
01:53:01,550 --> 01:52:59,130
dr. lane eventually died of a cerebral

2451
01:53:04,729 --> 01:53:01,560
hemorrhage without ever having received

2452
01:53:08,000 --> 01:53:04,739
his money his widow still has not

2453
01:53:10,610 --> 01:53:08,010
received the money meanwhile taking

2454
01:53:13,630 --> 01:53:10,620
advantage of the mailing list built up

2455
01:53:17,000 --> 01:53:13,640
by dr. Lane over a period of 40 years

2456
01:53:19,370 --> 01:53:17,010
and this is a the kind of undertaking

2457
01:53:22,130 --> 01:53:19,380
where a mailing list will make or make

2458
01:53:25,070 --> 01:53:22,140
you or break you you see this fine

2459
01:53:28,790 --> 01:53:25,080
gentleman has continued the organization

2460
01:53:32,630 --> 01:53:28,800
and is paying himself a fine salary out

2461
01:53:36,939 --> 01:53:32,640
of proceeding so we decided that the

2462
01:53:41,090 --> 01:53:36,949
time had come to set up another lecture

2463
01:53:44,600 --> 01:53:41,100
opposite him and I'm going to do what I

2464
01:53:48,470 --> 01:53:44,610
can to talk about the history of BS ra

2465
01:53:49,870 --> 01:53:48,480
and about the the four D or a theory

2466
01:53:53,500 --> 01:53:49,880
theory of

2467
01:53:54,939 --> 01:53:53,510
the flying saucers in particular so

2468
01:53:56,800 --> 01:53:54,949
whatever happened with that so he was

2469
01:53:59,890 --> 01:53:56,810
going to have a competing lecture with

2470
01:54:01,990 --> 01:53:59,900
the new head of BS ah yeah I had

2471
01:54:04,030 --> 01:54:02,000
forgotten all about that I can't give

2472
01:54:06,669 --> 01:54:04,040
you any details I think yes he

2473
01:54:09,520 --> 01:54:06,679
deliberately had his left shoe of the

2474
01:54:13,120 --> 01:54:09,530
same night and the same time presumably

2475
01:54:15,819 --> 01:54:13,130
both of these would be in New York and I

2476
01:54:19,209 --> 01:54:15,829
guess it was a popularity contest to see

2477
01:54:21,339 --> 01:54:19,219
how many people each lecture would draw

2478
01:54:22,959 --> 01:54:21,349
I just don't remember the details but

2479
01:54:25,540 --> 01:54:22,969
that's the kind of thing that the owner

2480
01:54:29,229 --> 01:54:25,550
would do he never did that name of the

2481
01:54:30,970 --> 01:54:29,239
guy that took over for me Blaine not in

2482
01:54:33,129 --> 01:54:30,980
the section that you just played I

2483
01:54:35,530 --> 01:54:33,139
didn't have the name myself but I can't

2484
01:54:37,330 --> 01:54:35,540
think of any man so that will be lost in

2485
01:54:38,410 --> 01:54:37,340
the annals of time Bob do you remember

2486
01:54:41,100 --> 01:54:38,420
the name I don't

2487
01:54:43,300 --> 01:54:41,110
I'd have to reject the the entire

2488
01:54:45,790 --> 01:54:43,310
discussion there it may have mentioned

2489
01:54:48,879 --> 01:54:45,800
it but I didn't include it if he did I

2490
01:54:51,580 --> 01:54:48,889
left it out possibly for legal reasons

2491
01:54:55,479 --> 01:54:51,590
well be SRA of course was a pioneer

2492
01:55:00,550 --> 01:54:55,489
organization in 4d UFO research and we

2493
01:55:04,330 --> 01:55:00,560
know nothing about it nowadays Reilly

2494
01:55:06,160 --> 01:55:04,340
crab right well now Reilly crabs heirs

2495
01:55:08,680 --> 01:55:06,170
are probably listening to this episode

2496
01:55:11,200 --> 01:55:08,690
and they're preparing to sue us but

2497
01:55:13,330 --> 01:55:11,210
sorry Leona is long since gone this

2498
01:55:14,890 --> 01:55:13,340
happened the 1960s is no jurisdiction

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stay away from us

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don't stay away from this we have Jim

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Mosely the editor and publisher of

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podcast.com yes Jana Fortner was quite a

2593
02:00:03,089 --> 02:00:00,969
character

2594
02:00:06,149 --> 02:00:03,099
now he told me a story as you say Jim

2595
02:00:08,429 --> 02:00:06,159
Jana could tell stories he said that he

2596
02:00:10,439 --> 02:00:08,439
after he had gone to the west coast

2597
02:00:13,259 --> 02:00:10,449
don't know when that happened he was an

2598
02:00:16,589 --> 02:00:13,269
influence when George Lucas created the

2599
02:00:21,629 --> 02:00:16,599
character of Yoda he said was based on

2600
02:00:26,759 --> 02:00:21,639
Yona okay you never saw the Star Wars

2601
02:00:29,759 --> 02:00:26,769
movies did you Jim Mosley I always

2602
02:00:32,759 --> 02:00:29,769
figured that I got enough science

2603
02:00:36,349 --> 02:00:32,769
fiction in the UFO field to the point

2604
02:00:39,659 --> 02:00:36,359
that I didn't actually need to go into

2605
02:00:40,560 --> 02:00:39,669
admitted science fiction so I kind of

2606
02:00:43,739 --> 02:00:40,570
avoided it

2607
02:00:45,750 --> 02:00:43,749
well I knew yonis somewhat in his final

2608
02:00:49,259 --> 02:00:45,760
years he sent me some copies of

2609
02:00:53,219 --> 02:00:49,269
magazines that contain stuff about UFOs

2610
02:00:56,449 --> 02:00:53,229
and 14 events and then he was gone jana

2611
02:00:59,279 --> 02:00:56,459
fourtner but also one of the pioneers in

2612
02:01:05,299 --> 02:00:59,289
investigating ancient astronauts no I

2613
02:01:09,869 --> 02:01:08,520
right he wasn't a very old man even then

2614
02:01:11,479 --> 02:01:09,879
he must have been his early seventies

2615
02:01:15,389 --> 02:01:11,489
late sixties something like that

2616
02:01:16,969 --> 02:01:15,399
question here about Jana I I have in my

2617
02:01:19,829 --> 02:01:16,979
mind that he was I know he was a

2618
02:01:21,839 --> 02:01:19,839
theologian very deep into theology was a

2619
02:01:24,209 --> 02:01:21,849
biblical and probably Talmud scholar as

2620
02:01:27,599 --> 02:01:24,219
well and a great linguist but once he

2621
02:01:33,329 --> 02:01:27,609
actually or wasn't he actually also an

2622
02:01:35,819 --> 02:01:33,339
ordained rabbi I think I've mentioned

2623
02:01:38,790 --> 02:01:35,829
before he could tell a story with no

2624
02:01:50,190 --> 02:01:38,800
foundation of truth as well as one that

2625
02:01:50,200 --> 02:01:54,930
[Music]

2626
02:01:59,340 --> 02:01:56,729
half of the faintest clue I never saw

2627
02:02:01,620 --> 02:01:59,350
any proof of them but he did say in

2628
02:02:03,410 --> 02:02:01,630
later years when he was still in New

2629
02:02:07,189 --> 02:02:03,420
York before he moved out to California

2630
02:02:10,439 --> 02:02:07,199
he did finally get a real degree from

2631
02:02:12,630 --> 02:02:10,449
Columbia University now I never saw any

2632
02:02:15,920 --> 02:02:12,640
proof of that either but with or without

2633
02:02:19,200 --> 02:02:15,930
a degree he could talk endlessly and

2634
02:02:21,570 --> 02:02:19,210
very intelligently he was really a

2635
02:02:24,959 --> 02:02:21,580
unique character now

2636
02:02:29,360 --> 02:02:24,969
you Jim had a second life you would go

2637
02:02:31,920 --> 02:02:29,370
to Peru and you did shall we say amateur

2638
02:02:33,270 --> 02:02:31,930
archaeological expeditions or as you

2639
02:02:43,950 --> 02:02:33,280
call the grave robbing

2640
02:02:45,840 --> 02:02:43,960
you'd return rather than confessing

2641
02:02:47,970 --> 02:02:45,850
yourself to be a grave robber but there

2642
02:02:51,660 --> 02:02:47,980
was a time that you went on Bob show

2643
02:02:53,760 --> 02:02:51,670
with the onna in 1964 where you talked

2644
02:02:56,310 --> 02:02:53,770
about and you can explain this after

2645
02:02:59,700 --> 02:02:56,320
this brief segment you talked about some

2646
02:03:02,250 --> 02:02:59,710
buried treasure in Peru that you

2647
02:03:03,900 --> 02:03:02,260
possibly were in a position to recover

2648
02:03:06,570 --> 02:03:03,910
and maybe it was worth a fair amount of

2649
02:03:07,950 --> 02:03:06,580
money let's hear Jim and Jana talk about

2650
02:03:17,550 --> 02:03:07,960
it and then maybe Jim can give us some

2651
02:03:20,370 --> 02:03:17,560
background I found it advisable to sell

2652
02:03:24,540 --> 02:03:20,380
my property in the Peru back in 1960 and

2653
02:03:28,560 --> 02:03:24,550
61 and I haven't been back since I know

2654
02:03:30,780 --> 02:03:28,570
a place in Peru which has a fortune in

2655
02:03:34,140 --> 02:03:30,790
gold sitting there it's a merely a

2656
02:03:36,209 --> 02:03:34,150
question of having the right contacts

2657
02:03:42,740 --> 02:03:36,219
you might say in order to be able to get

2658
02:03:46,170 --> 02:03:42,750
permission today the President of Peru

2659
02:03:49,530 --> 02:03:46,180
that's right my offer to any listener to

2660
02:03:52,860 --> 02:03:49,540
your show is that I would be glad to

2661
02:03:55,170 --> 02:03:52,870
talk to them yes they think or feel that

2662
02:03:57,030 --> 02:03:55,180
they have a way of getting this I might

2663
02:03:59,600 --> 02:03:57,040
say that there's no financial problem

2664
02:04:02,640 --> 02:03:59,610
there's no problem of suffering through

2665
02:04:03,859 --> 02:04:02,650
jungles or deserts or anything else I

2666
02:04:05,979 --> 02:04:03,869
know the exact look

2667
02:04:08,479 --> 02:04:05,989
there's no maps needed there's no

2668
02:04:10,790 --> 02:04:08,489
question of hunting for it and perhaps

2669
02:04:12,979 --> 02:04:10,800
not fine you know and there's no

2670
02:04:15,680 --> 02:04:12,989
question about it being there there's no

2671
02:04:17,570 --> 02:04:15,690
problem whatsoever except just getting

2672
02:04:19,939 --> 02:04:17,580
the permission so if someone thinks that

2673
02:04:22,339 --> 02:04:19,949
they know how to do that let them get in

2674
02:04:25,580 --> 02:04:22,349
touch with me well as a matter of fact

2675
02:04:28,760 --> 02:04:25,590
Jim to be perfectly fair about this the

2676
02:04:32,390 --> 02:04:28,770
reason why that treasure is still there

2677
02:04:36,320 --> 02:04:32,400
is because no one has been able to get

2678
02:04:39,560 --> 02:04:36,330
permission to take it out and it's in

2679
02:04:41,990 --> 02:04:39,570
such a public place that the authorities

2680
02:04:43,760 --> 02:04:42,000
don't dare take it out either but would

2681
02:04:45,080 --> 02:04:43,770
you agree with me Jana from what you've

2682
02:04:48,109 --> 02:04:45,090
heard about it that it would run into

2683
02:04:50,629 --> 02:04:48,119
many thousands of dollars if it were dug

2684
02:04:52,669 --> 02:04:50,639
out oh I think it might go into a bit

2685
02:04:54,500 --> 02:04:52,679
more than that I'll tell you what we're

2686
02:04:56,330 --> 02:04:54,510
going to stop the segment there because

2687
02:05:01,370 --> 02:04:56,340
we don't have enough time but let's have

2688
02:05:04,310 --> 02:05:01,380
the background Jim this is 64 and you're

2689
02:05:05,570 --> 02:05:04,320
talking about hidden treasure give us

2690
02:05:11,330 --> 02:05:05,580
the background that anyone ever

2691
02:05:14,089 --> 02:05:11,340
recovered well a complicated thing I'm

2692
02:05:17,000 --> 02:05:14,099
quite sure by now that I was wrong I

2693
02:05:19,250 --> 02:05:17,010
think whatever treasure was there had

2694
02:05:22,310 --> 02:05:19,260
been dug out previously

2695
02:05:26,390 --> 02:05:22,320
the funny part I'd have to say is that

2696
02:05:28,430 --> 02:05:26,400
this was almost a historical landmark it

2697
02:05:30,979 --> 02:05:28,440
was one of the best-known ruins in the

2698
02:05:33,589 --> 02:05:30,989
room I think it was called the temple of

2699
02:05:34,760 --> 02:05:33,599
the Sun and it was right next to the

2700
02:05:36,950 --> 02:05:34,770
pan-american highway

2701
02:05:38,510 --> 02:05:36,960
I guess they built the highway just

2702
02:05:41,899 --> 02:05:38,520
because this thing was there from

2703
02:05:44,359 --> 02:05:41,909
ancient time well no nobody could ever

2704
02:05:47,030 --> 02:05:44,369
get information to dig there because it

2705
02:05:52,790 --> 02:05:47,040
was the lobbyist it would be like doing

2706
02:05:55,040 --> 02:05:52,800
illegal treasure hunting and nothing

2707
02:05:59,089 --> 02:05:55,050
ever came of that I never got the

2708
02:06:01,490 --> 02:05:59,099
permission I made a few feeble efforts

2709
02:06:03,500 --> 02:06:01,500
but in the long run I started to realize

2710
02:06:04,490 --> 02:06:03,510
that whatever was there had already

2711
02:06:07,939 --> 02:06:04,500
disappeared

2712
02:06:10,459 --> 02:06:07,949
probably archeologists of the early 20th

2713
02:06:14,540 --> 02:06:10,469
century had dug up the whole thing was

2714
02:06:19,430 --> 02:06:17,360
it was you could say well no and I mean

2715
02:06:23,900 --> 02:06:19,440
again the place was well known and you

2716
02:06:26,689 --> 02:06:23,910
could look at this fortress and see

2717
02:06:29,450 --> 02:06:26,699
holes all over the place where people

2718
02:06:32,150 --> 02:06:29,460
have been digging in in the past and

2719
02:06:34,400 --> 02:06:32,160
that that's why this is complicated that

2720
02:06:36,380 --> 02:06:34,410
is a clue that people had been digging

2721
02:06:38,720 --> 02:06:36,390
in the past and if there was anything

2722
02:06:42,530 --> 02:06:38,730
there they would have already gotten it

2723
02:06:43,939 --> 02:06:42,540
frankly and I don't know why I was so

2724
02:06:45,950 --> 02:06:43,949
convinced that there was anything to

2725
02:06:49,040 --> 02:06:45,960
feel there there might have been from

2726
02:06:54,050 --> 02:06:49,050
left but motorists would be done no this

2727
02:06:56,270 --> 02:06:54,060
is tihuanaco no no it ever get what

2728
02:06:59,820 --> 02:06:56,280
culture was it was right along with an

2729
02:07:02,380 --> 02:06:59,830
American Highway noah kalina

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[Music]

2731
02:07:06,500 --> 02:07:04,590
fascinating maybe somebody has

2732
02:07:08,360 --> 02:07:06,510
discovered that treasure but you fell it

2733
02:07:10,240 --> 02:07:08,370
was worth a lot of money so you could

2734
02:07:13,400 --> 02:07:10,250
have been a multi-millionaire and make

2735
02:07:34,700 --> 02:07:13,410
as much money as Warren Buffett had you

2736
02:07:56,540 --> 02:07:34,710
recovered this friend I did get

2737
02:08:00,470 --> 02:07:56,550
permission from the ranch owner and you

2738
02:08:03,080 --> 02:08:00,480
can give any value that you want that

2739
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again depends on very complex factors

2740
02:08:08,060 --> 02:08:05,430
but I'd like to say now somewhere around

2741
02:08:12,080 --> 02:08:08,070
a half a million dollars in gold in one

2742
02:08:14,750 --> 02:08:12,090
day in one - Wow Jimbo's the editor of

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saucer smear joining us with bob Zanotti

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2840
02:12:59,979 --> 02:12:57,310
Bobson adi Jim Mosley on the para casts

2841
02:13:02,080 --> 02:12:59,989
with Jean and Chris fascinating visit to

2842
02:13:03,939 --> 02:13:02,090
the 1960s in the very unique and

2843
02:13:05,380 --> 02:13:03,949
sometimes over-the-top or outrageous

2844
02:13:07,390 --> 02:13:05,390
personalities and one of the more

2845
02:13:09,040 --> 02:13:07,400
fascinating guys that I knew then he was

2846
02:13:10,810 --> 02:13:09,050
one of my favorite people certainly in

2847
02:13:12,459 --> 02:13:10,820
addition to Jim of course and Bob but

2848
02:13:13,479 --> 02:13:12,469
we're talking about Jana of course he

2849
02:13:16,689 --> 02:13:13,489
owned a fort and it was one of my

2850
02:13:19,450 --> 02:13:16,699
favorites but also Jack Robinson

2851
02:13:22,209 --> 02:13:19,460
tell us about Jack Robinson well he was

2852
02:13:25,149 --> 02:13:22,219
you might say a student of the occult he

2853
02:13:29,110 --> 02:13:25,159
too had a big library it was his hobby

2854
02:13:32,169 --> 02:13:29,120
and when saucers became popular he sort

2855
02:13:34,630 --> 02:13:32,179
of transferred into that he lived in a

2856
02:13:38,530 --> 02:13:34,640
very modest apartment in Jersey City and

2857
02:13:40,419 --> 02:13:38,540
he had a modest job in a bank over in

2858
02:13:42,070 --> 02:13:40,429
Manhattan and their social quite a while

2859
02:13:45,669 --> 02:13:42,080
every day to get back to the forth to

2860
02:13:49,510 --> 02:13:45,679
work and that was his day job and about

2861
02:13:51,370 --> 02:13:49,520
all that he was able to do not having a

2862
02:13:54,130 --> 02:13:51,380
lot of money to travel or anything and

2863
02:13:56,560 --> 02:13:54,140
he was just one of the inside circle and

2864
02:13:59,260 --> 02:13:56,570
he was on as a naughty show and long

2865
02:14:03,700 --> 02:13:59,270
johns and so forth fools an interesting

2866
02:14:05,830 --> 02:14:03,710
guy longer I would just like to add just

2867
02:14:09,040 --> 02:14:05,840
very quickly he was also very big on

2868
02:14:13,810 --> 02:14:09,050
yoga and he was an amateur hypnotists

2869
02:14:17,790 --> 02:14:13,820
that is correct yes buddy one time I

2870
02:14:20,709 --> 02:14:17,800
think he was a fascinating character and

2871
02:14:22,630 --> 02:14:20,719
this particular story he's taking us

2872
02:14:25,630 --> 02:14:22,640
back to the time before he met his

2873
02:14:28,600 --> 02:14:25,640
second wife Mary back in the 1940s and

2874
02:14:30,790 --> 02:14:28,610
the background is at that time he was a

2875
02:14:32,979 --> 02:14:30,800
reader of amazing stories magazine and

2876
02:14:35,229 --> 02:14:32,989
amazing stories ran

2877
02:14:37,830 --> 02:14:35,239
I guess novels or short novels from

2878
02:14:40,540 --> 02:14:37,840
Richard Schafer who claimed to have

2879
02:14:42,220 --> 02:14:40,550
visited beings in the caves they were

2880
02:14:44,890 --> 02:14:42,230
first presented a science fiction

2881
02:14:47,110 --> 02:14:44,900
heavily edited by the editor of amazing

2882
02:14:50,560 --> 02:14:47,120
stories of course Ray Palmer as

2883
02:14:53,290 --> 02:14:50,570
listeners to the power casts no I met a

2884
02:14:55,660 --> 02:14:53,300
new Ray Palmer very slightly I also

2885
02:14:57,580 --> 02:14:55,670
met Richard shaver and knew him more

2886
02:14:59,860 --> 02:14:57,590
than slightly we exchanged lots of

2887
02:15:02,740 --> 02:14:59,870
correspondence over the years but this

2888
02:15:05,410 --> 02:15:02,750
takes us to Jack Robinson

2889
02:15:08,560 --> 02:15:05,420
during World War two where he's living

2890
02:15:11,380 --> 02:15:08,570
by himself in a rooming house and meets

2891
02:15:14,500 --> 02:15:11,390
this very curious character part one

2892
02:15:18,670 --> 02:15:14,510
Jack Robinson tells us about Steve Brody

2893
02:15:23,260 --> 02:15:18,680
the story happened back in the latter

2894
02:15:26,980 --> 02:15:23,270
part of the year 1944 I moved into a

2895
02:15:29,020 --> 02:15:26,990
house the rooming house I later learned

2896
02:15:32,110 --> 02:15:29,030
that he Brody

2897
02:15:35,110 --> 02:15:32,120
lived down below me he picked a larger

2898
02:15:39,850 --> 02:15:35,120
room directly beneath mine as a studio

2899
02:15:42,540 --> 02:15:39,860
he painted Steve it seemed did not trust

2900
02:15:46,540 --> 02:15:42,550
people necessarily for some odd reason

2901
02:15:48,790 --> 02:15:46,550
he seemed to fear people his eyes looked

2902
02:15:52,330 --> 02:15:48,800
sad as a matter of fact he looked almost

2903
02:15:55,930 --> 02:15:52,340
as if he were ready to cry he first of

2904
02:15:58,240 --> 02:15:55,940
all never a second he seemed to be

2905
02:16:01,840 --> 02:15:58,250
afraid someone might be attempting to

2906
02:16:04,300 --> 02:16:01,850
sneak up behind him he also had a habit

2907
02:16:06,940 --> 02:16:04,310
of glancing back over his shoulder as if

2908
02:16:09,610 --> 02:16:06,950
you were still afraid that someone might

2909
02:16:12,330 --> 02:16:09,620
be sneaking up behind him and by we're

2910
02:16:15,370 --> 02:16:12,340
on the street with him at all right he

2911
02:16:17,710 --> 02:16:15,380
continually looked behind him if anyone

2912
02:16:19,720 --> 02:16:17,720
past his door they would stop and

2913
02:16:22,960 --> 02:16:19,730
glanced at the door this I noticed when

2914
02:16:25,420 --> 02:16:22,970
I'd be visiting him Epis steps went past

2915
02:16:27,520 --> 02:16:25,430
his door he stopped and glanced at the

2916
02:16:29,920 --> 02:16:27,530
door make sure the door was locked and

2917
02:16:32,890 --> 02:16:29,930
so I would hesitate regardless of what

2918
02:16:34,900 --> 02:16:32,900
he was doing I knew it wasn't the law he

2919
02:16:37,300 --> 02:16:34,910
was afraid out because he shouldn't be

2920
02:16:40,450 --> 02:16:37,310
happy to talk to a policeman whenever I

2921
02:16:41,560 --> 02:16:40,460
met Steve once the ride you'd meet him

2922
02:16:44,980 --> 02:16:41,570
in the hall

2923
02:16:48,041 --> 02:16:44,990
I mentioned art and the fact that I

2924
02:16:50,440 --> 02:16:48,051
would also like to paint he became a

2925
02:16:53,140 --> 02:16:50,450
little bit less reticent with me then

2926
02:16:54,530 --> 02:16:53,150
when they finally allowed me to come

2927
02:16:58,310 --> 02:16:54,540
into his room

2928
02:17:00,820 --> 02:16:58,320
finally reached a point where I could

2929
02:17:04,339 --> 02:17:00,830
manage to tap on his door and as long as

2930
02:17:08,150 --> 02:17:04,349
identified myself he'd open the door I

2931
02:17:11,450 --> 02:17:08,160
know now what he was paving was perhaps

2932
02:17:13,459 --> 02:17:11,460
unconscious memory a lot the time he

2933
02:17:16,940 --> 02:17:13,469
couldn't tell me where he got the idea

2934
02:17:20,270 --> 02:17:16,950
from but he would paint on this canvas

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02:17:23,379 --> 02:17:20,280
some of them are weird and I retyped

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more drastic and Colour and in character

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than that Valley

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paid a desert or what have you the

2940
02:17:38,390 --> 02:17:35,730
scenes always seem to have more than one

2941
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Sun in them they sometimes might seem to

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have one more than one Sun and sometimes

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they might even be a moon appearing the

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scenes would had merriment shadows

2945
02:17:51,230 --> 02:17:49,200
sometimes we would say that there were

2946
02:17:53,180 --> 02:17:51,240
only one Sun but there would be a

2947
02:17:56,089 --> 02:17:53,190
stronger shadow from another direction

2948
02:17:58,430 --> 02:17:56,099
then caressed by the light of that Sun

2949
02:18:00,860 --> 02:17:58,440
and they'd be low on the horizon there

2950
02:18:04,190 --> 02:18:00,870
might be a moon appearing the scenes

2951
02:18:06,410 --> 02:18:04,200
were not of this world and I don't know

2952
02:18:09,290 --> 02:18:06,420
why it was but I always got the feeling

2953
02:18:15,080 --> 02:18:09,300
when I glanced at these pictures that

2954
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some odd weird type of creature might

2955
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suddenly come jumping over the hill

2956
02:18:24,020 --> 02:18:21,630
after me or come up from behind I always

2957
02:18:28,190 --> 02:18:24,030
got the feeling that I didn't want to be

2958
02:18:30,830 --> 02:18:28,200
and that particular planet of place and

2959
02:18:33,470 --> 02:18:30,840
if I read there I would have wanted to a

2960
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little after mmediately this time of my

2961
02:18:40,520 --> 02:18:37,559
life was in around the time when the

2962
02:18:44,060 --> 02:18:40,530
shaper mystery first started and I

2963
02:18:46,610 --> 02:18:44,070
picked up the first issue of the shaver

2964
02:18:50,660 --> 02:18:46,620
mystery each one that contained I

2965
02:18:52,610 --> 02:18:50,670
remember Lemuria as I came home ascended

2966
02:18:56,240 --> 02:18:52,620
the stairs and noticed the light under

2967
02:18:58,879 --> 02:18:56,250
Steve's door after identifying myself he

2968
02:19:01,700 --> 02:18:58,889
let me in the room suddenly Steve

2969
02:19:04,549 --> 02:19:01,710
noticed and while talking with him he

2970
02:19:05,390 --> 02:19:04,559
noticed the magazine in my stuck in my

2971
02:19:08,150 --> 02:19:05,400
coat pocket

2972
02:19:09,919 --> 02:19:08,160
it was saw the colorful edition

2973
02:19:11,150 --> 02:19:09,929
I think there was red sticking out of

2974
02:19:14,690 --> 02:19:11,160
park and he says what's that in your

2975
02:19:18,589 --> 02:19:14,700
overcoat pocket and I told him I said oh

2976
02:19:21,259 --> 02:19:18,599
I just a book something of his Britain

2977
02:19:24,410 --> 02:19:21,269
has story you know about some people

2978
02:19:27,860 --> 02:19:24,420
that lived underground and still look

2979
02:19:30,980 --> 02:19:27,870
startled frightened and then all of a

2980
02:19:33,290 --> 02:19:30,990
sudden he blurted out the word Gerald he

2981
02:19:36,709 --> 02:19:33,300
has mentioned a word that he shouldn't

2982
02:19:42,549 --> 02:19:36,719
know why did he know it and I persuaded

2983
02:19:45,080 --> 02:19:42,559
him finally very very personal promise

2984
02:19:47,270 --> 02:19:45,090
that I would not reveal what he was

2985
02:19:50,420 --> 02:19:47,280
about to tell me and there's only one

2986
02:19:53,900 --> 02:19:50,430
reason why I am revealing that and I'll

2987
02:19:56,660 --> 02:19:53,910
tell you later on about an incident that

2988
02:20:00,500 --> 02:19:56,670
has happened to him it seemed that seven

2989
02:20:04,670 --> 02:20:00,510
years before he had met me he was out in

2990
02:20:07,660 --> 02:20:04,680
the West with a friend and they were in

2991
02:20:10,940 --> 02:20:07,670
that region because they were working in

2992
02:20:14,120 --> 02:20:10,950
regards to saw the pet project that

2993
02:20:17,630 --> 02:20:14,130
Steve had the idea was to gather sort of

2994
02:20:20,630 --> 02:20:17,640
semi-precious stones and to mount them

2995
02:20:22,100 --> 02:20:20,640
and sell them in surgery that way they

2996
02:20:27,020 --> 02:20:22,110
managed to make a little bit of money

2997
02:20:29,840 --> 02:20:27,030
and they went out there because there

2998
02:20:31,730 --> 02:20:29,850
was a Mesa out there which seemed to

2999
02:20:34,219 --> 02:20:31,740
have a certain kind of stone that they

3000
02:20:37,400 --> 02:20:34,229
particularly wish to obtain and then -

3001
02:20:42,410 --> 02:20:37,410
probably grind down and mode and do

3002
02:20:45,440 --> 02:20:42,420
rings or pins and what have you then got

3003
02:20:48,200 --> 02:20:45,450
out to the town that was nervous to the

3004
02:20:51,469 --> 02:20:48,210
Mesa no it was a long way away the

3005
02:20:54,560 --> 02:20:51,479
people in this town and I I don't know

3006
02:20:57,920 --> 02:20:54,570
why I'm not sure but I sort of gathered

3007
02:20:59,929 --> 02:20:57,930
some questions and I threw it Steve that

3008
02:21:02,000 --> 02:20:59,939
the town was an Arizona although Steve

3009
02:21:05,270 --> 02:21:02,010
would never tell me the name of the town

3010
02:21:07,730 --> 02:21:05,280
but the people in this town didn't want

3011
02:21:09,920 --> 02:21:07,740
these two men to go out on the desert

3012
02:21:12,320 --> 02:21:09,930
they warned them said that several

3013
02:21:15,290 --> 02:21:12,330
people had disappeared without any trace

3014
02:21:18,690 --> 02:21:15,300
in that section of the desert arc toward

3015
02:21:20,940 --> 02:21:18,700
that Mesa and Steven is fond of laughter

3016
02:21:24,030 --> 02:21:20,950
the warnings purchased enough provisions

3017
02:21:27,540 --> 02:21:24,040
to last them for a little while and left

3018
02:21:30,240 --> 02:21:27,550
the next morning Steve man this pardon

3019
02:21:34,140 --> 02:21:30,250
of each the base of a Mesa which towered

3020
02:21:36,450 --> 02:21:34,150
up above them they sort of up a little

3021
02:21:38,700 --> 02:21:36,460
bit of camp and started searching for

3022
02:21:40,790 --> 02:21:38,710
the semi-precious gems that they were

3023
02:21:44,810 --> 02:21:40,800
inside that they were looking for and

3024
02:21:50,850 --> 02:21:44,820
while they were doing so he heard his

3025
02:21:55,740 --> 02:21:50,860
companion or what was his expletive all

3026
02:22:00,030 --> 02:21:55,750
right Steve lift up and as he did he saw

3027
02:22:01,020 --> 02:22:00,040
a black cold which seemed to come right

3028
02:22:05,131 --> 02:22:01,030
out of the rock

3029
02:22:07,740 --> 02:22:05,141
at the base of a Mesa and this he said

3030
02:22:11,430 --> 02:22:07,750
was joined by a never-taker

3031
02:22:14,070 --> 02:22:11,440
which is also black and cold part two of

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cliffhanger right part two of the Steve

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Brodie's story on the power castes with

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Gene and Kris and Bob's naughty and Jim

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Mosely we hear more from Jack Robinson

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but thirst again Steve tall new pointed

3140
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as sort of a slim rod like instrument

3141
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almost pencil like he said in his

3142
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direction and Steve said he was unable

3143
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to move he bid his partner who was far

3144
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away and behind him and get to his feet

3145
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and start to run and Steve said the

3146
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second thing appointed a similar type

3147
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right that this partner has only from

3148
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this rod a light emanated and Steve

3149
02:27:49,230 --> 02:27:44,290
heard a scream when this intense beam of

3150
02:27:51,780 --> 02:27:49,240
light emanated from this and his partner

3151
02:27:54,570 --> 02:27:51,790
he heard scream and then we began to

3152
02:27:56,969 --> 02:27:54,580
smell burned flesh in the meanwhile

3153
02:27:59,780 --> 02:27:56,979
since he couldn't move he couldn't see

3154
02:28:04,980 --> 02:27:59,790
what had happened to his partner the

3155
02:28:09,330 --> 02:28:04,990
second again and then let the base of

3156
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the Mesa came toward Steve and he had

3157
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what Steve described as a coupling where

3158
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he said it was somewhat like a headset

3159
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except it wasn't a headset the type of

3160
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instrument whatever it was went behind

3161
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Steve Brodie's is and still said him

3162
02:28:32,969 --> 02:28:30,510
down and he knew nothing until he

3163
02:28:39,179 --> 02:28:32,979
awakened later on

3164
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he awakened in a cage he said and at

3165
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this point Steve showed me it let the

3166
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scarred place in his head in which no

3167
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hair grew a section behind both ears as

3168
02:28:55,870 --> 02:28:53,560
large as Oh quite as large as a half now

3169
02:28:58,900 --> 02:28:55,880
but about that size

3170
02:29:01,480 --> 02:28:58,910
at any rate all a student remembers

3171
02:29:06,150 --> 02:29:01,490
about his captivity because this is

3172
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exactly and what it was was that he was

3173
02:29:10,840 --> 02:29:08,840
awakened three or four times I don't

3174
02:29:12,940 --> 02:29:10,850
remember which one she told me whether

3175
02:29:15,670 --> 02:29:12,950
it was three or four times but each time

3176
02:29:18,280 --> 02:29:15,680
he was penned up with other women's male

3177
02:29:21,700 --> 02:29:18,290
and female and it was soon that these

3178
02:29:23,740 --> 02:29:21,710
other people knew something about where

3179
02:29:27,130 --> 02:29:23,750
he was because they told him he was in

3180
02:29:30,160 --> 02:29:27,140
an underground cave that he was a devil

3181
02:29:33,070 --> 02:29:30,170
slave and I mentioned the word Darrow

3182
02:29:36,250 --> 02:29:33,080
evidently to him because this is where

3183
02:29:38,650 --> 02:29:36,260
he got the idea they kept telling him he

3184
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was in the caves that the Masters for

3185
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the Duras and that they were cruel well

3186
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anyway when Steve was and had let me

3187
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finally released honor how he didn't

3188
02:29:53,860 --> 02:29:51,050
know why he did no he said he merely

3189
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found himself fully conscious walking

3190
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down Broadway in New York City and he

3191
02:30:03,940 --> 02:30:01,970
had much the same clothes as exactly the

3192
02:30:05,889 --> 02:30:03,950
same clothes I should say that much the

3193
02:30:07,420 --> 02:30:05,899
same clothes he had on exactly the same

3194
02:30:09,490 --> 02:30:07,430
clothes didn't know him in his

3195
02:30:11,860 --> 02:30:09,500
prospecting trip except they were a

3196
02:30:15,790 --> 02:30:11,870
little bit older a good deal older he

3197
02:30:21,040 --> 02:30:15,800
had all the items pockets they made them

3198
02:30:23,679 --> 02:30:21,050
cang including $100 in bills and he had

3199
02:30:29,580 --> 02:30:23,689
the persistent feeling only practical

3200
02:30:32,650 --> 02:30:29,590
yesterday although he felt his beard

3201
02:30:35,290 --> 02:30:32,660
denied the fact that he had been

3202
02:30:39,580 --> 02:30:35,300
yesterday for he had a very long beard

3203
02:30:43,750 --> 02:30:39,590
Steve went in and got a haircut and a

3204
02:30:46,540 --> 02:30:43,760
shave and when he did was the particular

3205
02:30:50,500 --> 02:30:46,550
time that he discovered what the date

3206
02:30:52,870 --> 02:30:50,510
was because he had a chance to pick up

3207
02:30:55,660 --> 02:30:52,880
and look at the newspaper and he

3208
02:31:00,040 --> 02:30:55,670
discovered that he had lost two years

3209
02:31:03,340 --> 02:31:00,050
from his life to more or less finish the

3210
02:31:04,951 --> 02:31:03,350
story I had kept my mouth shut about

3211
02:31:08,251 --> 02:31:04,961
this

3212
02:31:11,850 --> 02:31:08,261
when they while I knew Steve while I

3213
02:31:16,730 --> 02:31:11,860
lived at the finished room because in

3214
02:31:19,980 --> 02:31:16,740
the round estate I met my wife Mary and

3215
02:31:23,881 --> 02:31:19,990
we then moved away I moved into another

3216
02:31:26,190 --> 02:31:23,891
town and oh I don't know exactly how

3217
02:31:30,541 --> 02:31:26,200
long ago it was I have to get exactly

3218
02:31:33,001 --> 02:31:30,551
how long no after that it was I came

3219
02:31:35,640 --> 02:31:33,011
back to see Steve and made a special

3220
02:31:40,890 --> 02:31:35,650
trip into Jersey City

3221
02:31:43,111 --> 02:31:40,900
only to learn let's do that the only

3222
02:31:44,911 --> 02:31:43,121
thing was the landlady wanted to know if

3223
02:31:47,850 --> 02:31:44,921
I found out where he lived

3224
02:31:51,091 --> 02:31:47,860
please tell her because she wanted to

3225
02:31:54,661 --> 02:31:51,101
send him his things I finally said good

3226
02:31:57,991 --> 02:31:54,671
day to her and started out and as I came

3227
02:32:00,421 --> 02:31:58,001
out of the house I ran into a chap who

3228
02:32:01,680 --> 02:32:00,431
was a traveling salesman who lived on

3229
02:32:05,011 --> 02:32:01,690
the first floor

3230
02:32:06,841 --> 02:32:05,021
he knew Steve him or less figure that

3231
02:32:09,901 --> 02:32:06,851
Steve was a nut because he was so

3232
02:32:13,350 --> 02:32:09,911
peculiar I said I can't understand why

3233
02:32:15,480 --> 02:32:13,360
Steve would sort of the Luba way he did

3234
02:32:18,661 --> 02:32:15,490
he said he said you know this is

3235
02:32:22,201 --> 02:32:18,671
something funny about that guy as I saw

3236
02:32:25,111 --> 02:32:22,211
it he said shortly after landlady said

3237
02:32:27,930 --> 02:32:25,121
he left I said where is well you know as

3238
02:32:32,940 --> 02:32:27,940
I travel all over the Western art I said

3239
02:32:34,890 --> 02:32:32,950
I know he says I know drunk great

3240
02:32:36,991 --> 02:32:34,900
drugged or something said I don't know

3241
02:32:39,991 --> 02:32:37,001
so what do you mean he never took a

3242
02:32:42,211 --> 02:32:40,001
drink he did let him take drugs and I

3243
02:32:44,281 --> 02:32:42,221
don't see how I could be dried out if he

3244
02:32:46,350 --> 02:32:44,291
didn't take drugs or anything he said

3245
02:32:48,661 --> 02:32:46,360
well I walked up to him he said I spoke

3246
02:32:51,480 --> 02:32:48,671
to him he seemed ever even looked at me

3247
02:32:54,810 --> 02:32:51,490
we sort of glancing sideways out of the

3248
02:32:56,730 --> 02:32:54,820
window got trained he said somewhere a

3249
02:32:58,230 --> 02:32:56,740
little time and everything he says I

3250
02:33:00,901 --> 02:32:58,240
don't even remember the name that town

3251
02:33:03,810 --> 02:33:00,911
just a little whistle stop this is my

3252
02:33:08,041 --> 02:33:03,820
road up ahead he said to the lavatory

3253
02:33:10,291 --> 02:33:08,051
it's a train stop they certain I came

3254
02:33:11,671 --> 02:33:10,301
out he says and Steve was gone he

3255
02:33:13,240 --> 02:33:11,681
evidently got up in our little

3256
02:33:15,340 --> 02:33:13,250
stationary

3257
02:33:18,670 --> 02:33:15,350
why because it wasn't made in there for

3258
02:33:21,070 --> 02:33:18,680
anybody and I'm afraid that to my

3259
02:33:22,540 --> 02:33:21,080
knowledge that's about the most I can

3260
02:33:25,870 --> 02:33:22,550
tell you about what happened to Steve

3261
02:33:27,760 --> 02:33:25,880
Brodie it would seem to me that the

3262
02:33:30,700 --> 02:33:27,770
barrels had an again in some way

3263
02:33:32,920 --> 02:33:30,710
possibly under some type of neck ray or

3264
02:33:36,519 --> 02:33:32,930
what have you mind control of some sort

3265
02:33:39,309 --> 02:33:36,529
and that Steve won't be back again and

3266
02:33:42,190 --> 02:33:39,319
burnable anyhow it's the thing that got

3267
02:33:45,340 --> 02:33:42,200
me into man to show the mystery I did a

3268
02:33:47,019 --> 02:33:45,350
flying saucer field so Jim Mosley what

3269
02:33:49,000 --> 02:33:47,029
was your take on this story that Jack

3270
02:33:52,559 --> 02:33:49,010
Robinson told so many times in so many

3271
02:33:56,139 --> 02:33:52,569
places well now that I hear it again I

3272
02:33:57,969 --> 02:33:56,149
remember it vaguely I think I told you

3273
02:34:00,460 --> 02:33:57,979
on the phone the other day I'm not even

3274
02:34:03,490 --> 02:34:00,470
sure if Jack Robinson there believed

3275
02:34:05,530 --> 02:34:03,500
that I I rather think although I can't

3276
02:34:07,719 --> 02:34:05,540
prove it that this was something he had

3277
02:34:09,490 --> 02:34:07,729
heard and he didn't make up the story

3278
02:34:11,769 --> 02:34:09,500
it's just a question of whether he

3279
02:34:13,599 --> 02:34:11,779
believed in or if anybody else who

3280
02:34:16,120 --> 02:34:13,609
believed it I think it was interesting

3281
02:34:19,389 --> 02:34:16,130
and different and it was like a calling

3282
02:34:21,670 --> 02:34:19,399
card that he had when he wanted to meet

3283
02:34:24,490 --> 02:34:21,680
other people and the occult field and

3284
02:34:26,830 --> 02:34:24,500
later on and the saucer field it was

3285
02:34:28,660 --> 02:34:26,840
sort of an introduction that gave him

3286
02:34:31,090 --> 02:34:28,670
something special and weird and

3287
02:34:33,820 --> 02:34:31,100
interesting to talk about and whether he

3288
02:34:36,700 --> 02:34:33,830
really took it all that seriously I

3289
02:34:40,660 --> 02:34:36,710
certainly don't know whatever Steve was

3290
02:34:43,450 --> 02:34:40,670
he was indeed extremely strange if not

3291
02:34:46,120 --> 02:34:43,460
worse than that and whether the bureau

3292
02:34:48,309 --> 02:34:46,130
part is true or not it doesn't really

3293
02:34:50,050 --> 02:34:48,319
matter that's what I would say what's

3294
02:34:52,210 --> 02:34:50,060
your take on Bob you've heard the story

3295
02:34:55,030 --> 02:34:52,220
many times yes and I can remember

3296
02:34:56,740 --> 02:34:55,040
sitting there at the table in Jersey

3297
02:34:59,349 --> 02:34:56,750
City I think you were there too at the

3298
02:35:01,780 --> 02:34:59,359
time gene and watching it and I spoke

3299
02:35:04,420 --> 02:35:01,790
many times to Jack he was always a

3300
02:35:06,849 --> 02:35:04,430
sincere individual I always had a lot of

3301
02:35:08,769 --> 02:35:06,859
faith in him I trusted him it would be

3302
02:35:10,510 --> 02:35:08,779
hard for me personally to think that he

3303
02:35:12,700 --> 02:35:10,520
made this up I mean I can't say he

3304
02:35:15,400 --> 02:35:12,710
didn't I can't be sure but my gut

3305
02:35:17,440 --> 02:35:15,410
feeling is I believe he is telling an

3306
02:35:20,200 --> 02:35:17,450
accurate story the way at least he

3307
02:35:22,420 --> 02:35:20,210
perceived it or lived it I can't see him

3308
02:35:23,990 --> 02:35:22,430
making up something like this it just oh

3309
02:35:26,300 --> 02:35:24,000
no I'm not saying that I made

3310
02:35:29,720 --> 02:35:26,310
I think that he did hear it and he

3311
02:35:31,910 --> 02:35:29,730
probably repeated it correctly but that

3312
02:35:33,560 --> 02:35:31,920
doesn't mean he believed it Jim Mosley

3313
02:35:37,280 --> 02:35:33,570
tell our listeners where they can find

3314
02:35:44,000 --> 02:35:37,290
saucer smears saucer smear is available

3315
02:35:47,570 --> 02:35:44,010
at t-- o-- box 1 709 Key West Florida 3

3316
02:35:50,540 --> 02:35:47,580
3 0 4 1 we'll send you a free sample

3317
02:35:54,140 --> 02:35:50,550
copy of selfish smear and if you like it

3318
02:35:57,440 --> 02:35:54,150
you can send it some money sometime down

3319
02:35:59,420 --> 02:35:57,450
the line and go on from there Bobson ID

3320
02:36:01,550 --> 02:35:59,430
do you have any current projects well my

3321
02:36:04,100 --> 02:36:01,560
pet project I worked for suicidio

3322
02:36:05,960 --> 02:36:04,110
international for 32 years that station

3323
02:36:08,180 --> 02:36:05,970
closed it was shortwave broadcasting

3324
02:36:09,730 --> 02:36:08,190
station when a close I decided to keep

3325
02:36:12,740 --> 02:36:09,740
the tradition of english-language

3326
02:36:16,160 --> 02:36:12,750
classic radio reporting alive so I

3327
02:36:17,450 --> 02:36:16,170
started Switzerland in sound calm if you

3328
02:36:20,090 --> 02:36:17,460
have any interest in Switzerland

3329
02:36:22,130 --> 02:36:20,100
features places to go destinations the

3330
02:36:24,710 --> 02:36:22,140
culture the politics and society it's

3331
02:36:27,010 --> 02:36:24,720
all there and if you look under vintage

3332
02:36:29,330 --> 02:36:27,020
features you'll find a few choice

3333
02:36:31,610 --> 02:36:29,340
offbeat features that I did over the

3334
02:36:34,250 --> 02:36:31,620
years Chris O'Brien has our strange

3335
02:36:36,380 --> 02:36:34,260
planet calm a special thank you to the

3336
02:36:39,530 --> 02:36:36,390
memory of Jack Robinson

3337
02:36:42,050 --> 02:36:39,540
wherever he may be on a Fortner even

3338
02:36:44,750 --> 02:36:42,060
dominic luke chassis august see roberts

3339
02:36:47,330 --> 02:36:44,760
perhaps even the mystic barber ever they

3340
02:36:49,070 --> 02:36:47,340
are we remember them Bob's an idol Tim

3341
02:36:51,140 --> 02:36:49,080
Mosley thanks for joining us on the

3342
02:36:54,530 --> 02:36:51,150
power cast great to get back after

3343
02:36:58,460 --> 02:36:54,540
nearly 50 years Jim yeah say something

3344
02:37:00,650 --> 02:36:58,470
I get did the power cast featuring Jim

3345
02:37:03,710 --> 02:37:00,660
Steinberg and Christopher O'Brien

3346
02:37:07,520 --> 02:37:03,720
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3347
02:37:11,511 --> 02:37:07,530
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